All About McCain - Page 114

scaeagles · 10-05-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The case has been made, you choose not to believe the case. Biden made the case in the debate.

Biden lied a few times regarding that as well (I can list them specifically if I need to). Obama was against the surge, poor judgement indeed. Biden was adament that Obama was not prepared to be commander in chief prior to joining the ticket. Politics then? Perhaps. But true nonetheless.

Weakening the military also includes cancelling weapons programs, which I don't believe McCain would do.

Choose not to believe them? Well, considering they are poorly presented arguments, yeah, I don't believe them.

3894 · 10-05-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Obama was against the surge, poor judgement indeed.

According to Bob Woodward's new book The War Within, so was the president's advisory committee, which included James Bakker, Lee Hamilton, Sandra Day O'Connor, some retired generals.

Alex · 10-05-2008, 04:25 PM

It may be a good read but be wary of books that find patterns in history and then project them into the future. That is a very popular type of book/research, but the success rate at successful prediction is low.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-05-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

It may be a good read but be wary of books that find patterns in history and then project them into the future. That is a very popular type of book/research, but the success rate at successful prediction is low.

I am fully aware I sound pretty gullible, but the book talks about prior generational predictions and shows how they have borne out. This concept has been popular for study from the "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment onward, and analyzes why people felt they didn't work....but yeah, I'll stop now.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-05-2008, 06:11 PM

I'll let GD defend his arguments.

I suppose you wouldn't be one to listen to the idea that we should spend less on the military than we do now. The comparisons in how much we spend in Iraq and how much we spend building infrastructure in Afghanistan are ridiculous. Biden alluded to this, not sure if you'd call them lies.

bewitched · 10-05-2008, 06:18 PM

I saw a bumper sticker today that said:

Palin
McCain

Yep, Palin was bigger and on the top...

scaeagles · 10-05-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I'll let GD defend his arguments.

I suppose you wouldn't be one to listen to the idea that we should spend less on the military than we do now. The comparisons in how much we spend in Iraq and how much we spend building infrastructure in Afghanistan are ridiculous. Biden alluded to this, not sure if you'd call them lies.

He alluded to this, yes, and his numbers were way, way off from what I've read. I did include that in my thinking of what he lied about.

I will never accept the argument of spending less on the military with an increasingly aggressive Russia, China developing newer technologies and spending on military through the nose, and the fact that national defense is one of the only specifically constitutionally mandated functions of the federal government.

Betty · 10-05-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I will never accept the argument of spending less on the military with an increasingly aggressive Russia, China developing newer technologies and spending on military through the nose

Wouldn't you agree that with the war in Iraq we too are "spending on military through the nose"? Yes - unlike Russia and China, how much benefit are we really seeing with that money by comparison?

I guess that depends on how much you feel the war is benefiting us.

scaeagles · 10-05-2008, 07:10 PM

No. You have to spend what it takes to get the job done. This is not intended to get tinto a discussion as to if we should be there or not - that has been discussed ad infinitum here. It is simply that you have to finish what you start.

innerSpaceman · 10-05-2008, 08:03 PM

Oh, like the War on Drugs? That can NEVER be finished. Or the War on Terror, that can likewise NEVER be finished.

Don't like the concept wars? How 'bout that War in Vietnam that was never really finished ... just pretty much abandoned. So why "can't" we do that when retreat proves to be the better part of valor?

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	No. You have to spend what it takes to get the job done. This is not intended to get tinto a discussion as to if we should be there or not - that has been discussed ad infinitum here. It is simply that you have to finish what you start.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oh, like the War on Drugs? That can NEVER be finished. Or the War on Terror, that can likewise NEVER be finished. Don't like the concept wars? How 'bout that War in Vietnam that was never really finished ... just pretty much abandoned. So why "can't" we do that when retreat proves to be the better part of valor?
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