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Ghoulish Delight · 06-17-2008, 11:58 AM

And yet if we called you an idiot for disagreeing with us...

scaeagles · 06-17-2008, 12:06 PM

OK....that's fair. I'll even apologize. I do not consider anyone here to be an idiot and was typing out of disgust for Obama.

I will say that I do not understand why tapping into our own natural resources, which are abundant, is not considered a good solution, particularly with the high price of oil, unrest in the middle east, and increasing demand for oil in massive and emerging middle class nations uch as India and China. Even if a temporary solution, there is nothing wroing with a temporary solution while permanent solutions are developed.

Obama, as a politician, is making speeches that do make him sound like an idiot. From windfall profits to environmental fears to saying allowing drilling only makes the oil companies richer, he is making no sense whatsoever.

Alex · 06-17-2008, 12:45 PM

And, so far as I can tell the latest drilling abilities are taken into account for the 3.6 billion barrel figure. The reports were just issues a month ago.

Kevy Baby · 06-17-2008, 12:48 PM

3.6 billion barrels is enough to take care of my needs for the next 40 or so years. I don't know what the rest of y'all are gonna do.

Alex · 06-17-2008, 12:56 PM

Yes, and there is a difference between people reaching different policy conclusions (and therefore one person thinking the other's are bad) and jumping to the conclusion that the one who reached a different position is an idiot.

I've said it before, I support Obama and expect I will oppose many of his policy initiatives. If I can do that without being treated by the majority opposing me as an idiot or evil (or, somewhat paradoxically an evil idiot) then I'll be satisfied.

scaeagles · 06-17-2008, 12:59 PM

I did apologize for that. And I meant it.

Alex · 06-17-2008, 02:24 PM

I thought you were apologizing for the implication that anybody on this board who would say the same thing is an idiot. Not for saying that Obama is an idiot (not that you need to apologize).

But I don't think calling him an idiot for reaching different conclusions is any different than calling people here idiots (though it would certainly be more personally targeted).

scaeagles · 06-19-2008, 06:19 AM

Sure seems like Obama is turning out to be like any other politician.

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He has broken his promise to use public financing. "We've made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election," Obama says in the video, blaming it on the need to combat Republicans.

Break your word, blame someone else.

While I don't think that this is Obama's fault, I have no doubt that if McCain's campaign deliberately told two Muslim women they couldn't be in a picture with their head scarves on there might be a bit more criticism in general.

And while I don't like Michelle Obama in the least, Cindy McCain scares the hell out of me.

Cadaverous Pallor · 06-19-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sure seems like Obama is turning out to be like any other politician.

You're reading this wrong. He WON'T take public funds.

ETA - I didn't realize he had committed to TAKING public funds and therefore limiting himself to that amount. Personally, I have never had a problem with campaign spending and have a huge problem with public funds being used for someone's campaign....so I'm actually happier this way. Yes, he has changed his position, but I agree with it, so I'm fine.

innerSpaceman · 06-19-2008, 07:01 AM

Yeah, i hate to quibble ... but saying "we've made the decision to" is clearly an opening to make another and different decision later. It's not the same as "We will not."

BUT .... I've always contended Obama will look and act and feel more and more like every other slimy politician to closer he gets to winning the election.

06-17-2008, 11:58 AM	#1
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06-17-2008, 12:06 PM	#2
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	OK....that's fair. I'll even apologize. I do not consider anyone here to be an idiot and was typing out of disgust for Obama. I will say that I do not understand why tapping into our own natural resources, which are abundant, is not considered a good solution, particularly with the high price of oil, unrest in the middle east, and increasing demand for oil in massive and emerging middle class nations uch as India and China. Even if a temporary solution, there is nothing wroing with a temporary solution while permanent solutions are developed. Obama, as a politician, is making speeches that do make him sound like an idiot. From windfall profits to environmental fears to saying allowing drilling only makes the oil companies richer, he is making no sense whatsoever.
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06-17-2008, 12:45 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	And, so far as I can tell the latest drilling abilities are taken into account for the 3.6 billion barrel figure. The reports were just issues a month ago.
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06-17-2008, 12:48 PM	#4
Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	3.6 billion barrels is enough to take care of my needs for the next 40 or so years. I don't know what the rest of y'all are gonna do. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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06-17-2008, 12:56 PM	#5
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yes, and there is a difference between people reaching different policy conclusions (and therefore one person thinking the other's are bad) and jumping to the conclusion that the one who reached a different position is an idiot. I've said it before, I support Obama and expect I will oppose many of his policy initiatives. If I can do that without being treated by the majority opposing me as an idiot or evil (or, somewhat paradoxically an evil idiot) then I'll be satisfied.
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06-17-2008, 12:59 PM	#6
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I did apologize for that. And I meant it.
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06-17-2008, 02:24 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I thought you were apologizing for the implication that anybody on this board who would say the same thing is an idiot. Not for saying that Obama is an idiot (not that you need to apologize). But I don't think calling him an idiot for reaching different conclusions is any different than calling people here idiots (though it would certainly be more personally targeted).
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06-19-2008, 07:01 AM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, i hate to quibble ... but saying "we've made the decision to" is clearly an opening to make another and different decision later. It's not the same as "We will not." BUT .... I've always contended Obama will look and act and feel more and more like every other slimy politician to closer he gets to winning the election.
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