Republican National Convention '08 - Page 12

Gemini Cricket · 09-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

^^So much for MLK's dream of living in a color blind society.

Do you guys immediately count the number of minorities upon entering a room or do you wait until you're bored?

His is a dream that hasn't come true yet. And taking note of the audience members during the speeches at the RNC makes that abundantly clear.

Can someone explain to me why there weren't more people of color in that auditorium? I think someone who doesn't notice that or think about it is truly blind.

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

^^So much for MLK's dream of living in a color blind society.

Do you guys immediately count the number of minorities upon entering a room or do you wait until you're bored?

Usually, one doesn't have to. Every place other than the RNC seems to have a pretty diverse mix of people. That's why it stands out like a sore thumb when you see the opposite.

innerSpaceman · 09-03-2008, 11:31 PM

This is the wrong thread for it, but since the not-here-yet color-blind society was mentioned, I've been wondering why his supporters do not take offense at Obama routinely being referred to as a black man.

I find that horribly racist. He's half black, half white. He won't be the first black president, he'll be the first mixed-race president.

I believe the antimysogenation laws had you black if you were 1/16th negro.

Why isn't Obama white? Why is he black by default? Sure, could be 'cause he looks black. But I find it more insideous than this.

Anyway, the RNC's white-out has me thinking more of political race issues than is usual for me.

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Anyway, Palin's speech was no disaster, and she had a few funny lines delivered well. But it was petty and rather juevenile. I didn't loathe her as much as I expected to ... but I don't see what's to like. And I certainly don't see anyone I want being President of the United States when McCain kicks the bucket.

(I don't know if anyone's noticed, but he's an old geezer.)

Tenigma · 09-04-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

This is the wrong thread for it, but since the not-here-yet color-blind society was mentioned, I've been wondering why his supporters do not take offense at Obama routinely being referred to as a black man.

This question was posed last year on nose-picker radio and I believe the response at the time was that this is because Obama himself presents himself as a Black man, and that he identifies with the Black community.

sleepyjeff · 09-03-2008, 11:34 PM

^(114)No, no, no, no.....this isn't gonna fly. It's the DNC that packs auditoriums with the "correct" number of this color or that. It's Obama who doesn't want too many people of color(or any muslims) up on stage with him.

MLK's dream was that we would not be concerned about what color our skin was.....the RNC seems to understand that. No one was kept out of the audience or off the stage based on their skin color....the same cannot be said for the modern day DNC!

Gemini Cricket · 09-03-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

MLK's dream was that we would not be concerned about what color our skin was.....the RNC seems to understand that. No one was kept out of the audience or off the stage based on their skin color....the same cannot be said for the modern day DNC!

Are you really trying to say that the RNC understands the issues of minorities in our country?
You still haven't explained to me why there were not more people of color at the RNC tonight.
I would rather have a political party include people of many races in their convention than to ignore them. Where was the inclusion that the RNC showed?
I saw a white majority in the audience tonight and only a few black people. At the DNC, I saw a diversity of races.

And might I add, if it was Obama's teen daughter that was pregnant, I wouldn't see any GOP politicians jumping to her defense in the name of pro-life and the plight of teen aged mothers. I would most likely see the Republicans characterize the Obamas as some sort of dysfunctional family that they wouldn't want anywhere near the White House.

sleepyjeff · 09-03-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Are you really trying to say that the RNC understands the issues of minorities in our country?

No. I am saying the RNC doesn't care what color your skin is. The DNC, apparently, does.

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You still haven't explained to me why there were not more people of color at the RNC tonight.

African Americans make up about 10-12% of the US population. About 90% of them vote Democrat.

You do the math.

Gemini Cricket · 09-04-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

No. I am saying the RNC doesn't care what color your skin is. The DNC, apparently, does.

Acknowledging someone's race is preferable to someone ignoring you. Where is the proof that they don't care? I think what you meant to say was that the RNC doesn't care about people of color. For instance, if black America actually thought they were included in the RNC's plan for a brighter future for them, we would have seen more black people in the crowd.

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

African Americans make up about 10-12% of the US population. About 90% of them vote Democrat.

You do the math.

That tells me a lot about how inclusive the RNC is.

What we saw tonight, was more of the same swill (ie. we're in danger, we should all be afraid, look at me I'm funny that means I'm one of you) that Bush has been serving us for the last 8 years. Obama's speech was about moving forward, uniting the country and making it a better place for all of us. What we heard tonight was the same garbage dividing this country again.

The only minority groups Palin brought up were Yup'ik Eskimos and special needs children.

Palin seemed to forget for her entire speech that a lot of the problems she was pointing out were due to her party and the Bush Administration. The do-nothing Senate that she teasingly brought up is half Republican, if I remember correctly.

wendybeth · 09-04-2008, 12:13 AM

I think you just pointed out the obvious, Jeff- but the real question is why is one demographic so overwhelmingly Dem? It just seems that if alienation wasn't a problem there would have been more diversity in the audience.

scaeagles · 09-04-2008, 04:57 AM

By the way, Obama in the last couple days has been commenting on Palin as a mayor of a small town, saying his job managing his campaign is tougher with more people to manage. So it has been fairly recent.

I find no real surprises here. Those predisposed to dislike Palin and who are solidly in the Obama camp didn't like her speech. Those who were predisposed to like her and her speech did. I admit I wanted to like her and her speech. I did. I would figure that unless she came out touting the full democrat agenda there's nothing that's going to change that. For every cry of petty on the dem side toward her, I can shout cries of vacuous and same-old same-old for the Obama speech.

09-03-2008, 11:31 PM	#3
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	This is the wrong thread for it, but since the not-here-yet color-blind society was mentioned, I've been wondering why his supporters do not take offense at Obama routinely being referred to as a black man. I find that horribly racist. He's half black, half white. He won't be the first black president, he'll be the first mixed-race president. I believe the antimysogenation laws had you black if you were 1/16th negro. Why isn't Obama white? Why is he black by default? Sure, could be 'cause he looks black. But I find it more insideous than this. Anyway, the RNC's white-out has me thinking more of political race issues than is usual for me. * * * * Anyway, Palin's speech was no disaster, and she had a few funny lines delivered well. But it was petty and rather juevenile. I didn't loathe her as much as I expected to ... but I don't see what's to like. And I certainly don't see anyone I want being President of the United States when McCain kicks the bucket. (I don't know if anyone's noticed, but he's an old geezer.)
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09-03-2008, 11:34 PM	#5
sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	^(114)No, no, no, no.....this isn't gonna fly. It's the DNC that packs auditoriums with the "correct" number of this color or that. It's Obama who doesn't want too many people of color(or any muslims) up on stage with him. MLK's dream was that we would not be concerned about what color our skin was.....the RNC seems to understand that. No one was kept out of the audience or off the stage based on their skin color....the same cannot be said for the modern day DNC! __________________ River Guardian-less
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09-04-2008, 12:13 AM	#9
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I think you just pointed out the obvious, Jeff- but the real question is why is one demographic so overwhelmingly Dem? It just seems that if alienation wasn't a problem there would have been more diversity in the audience. __________________
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09-04-2008, 04:57 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	By the way, Obama in the last couple days has been commenting on Palin as a mayor of a small town, saying his job managing his campaign is tougher with more people to manage. So it has been fairly recent. I find no real surprises here. Those predisposed to dislike Palin and who are solidly in the Obama camp didn't like her speech. Those who were predisposed to like her and her speech did. I admit I wanted to like her and her speech. I did. I would figure that unless she came out touting the full democrat agenda there's nothing that's going to change that. For every cry of petty on the dem side toward her, I can shout cries of vacuous and same-old same-old for the Obama speech.
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