Democratic National Convention '08

[Alex]

What I meant:

Well, you might want to care more about delivery [than you apparently do] because...

What I didn't mean:

Well, you might want to care more about delivery [than anything else because, really, I've given you plenty of reason to think I'm a rhetorical retard and therefore it is safest to jump to the conclusion assuming me to intend the stupidest possible interpretation you can give my sentences] because...

[Betty]

I thought it was a great! My husband says something to the effect that they all make promises they can't or won't keep and they all suck balls basically... but I like his promises better then what I think McCain will be promising.


I can't help but thing - wouldn't it be great if he really did do all those things?! I'm sure some of you guys will be able to point out reasons that I'm not able to see on why his ideas are somehow bad and will hurt our country perhaps - but I was inspired.

My Mother in law and sis in law don't want to vote for him... guess why... go on.

Spoiler:

They are pretty sure he'll be assassinated. And I also suspect they might be a little racist somehow... although neither of them would ever openly admit to it in those black and white terms. no pun intended.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by 3894

He said his mother and he had to go on food stamps. He said he and Michelle got student loans because education got them where they were. He said once in the biographical film and once in the speech that I/we are our brothers'/sisters' keeper.

No one said the American dream is easy. It some cases it takes hard work and sacrifice, but it is possible for anyone with the programs we have now. Obama is a shining example of that.

I had to put myself through college with no support from anyone. It was tough as hell to work at a crappy job and be a full time student but I managed. Short term suffering for long term goals. It's a skill that many in this country seem to lack. They think entitlement programs will be a substitute for hard work.

[Alex]

Yes, he did cover your (and to a certain extent my) point of view in the ownership society part of the speech.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I had to put myself through college with no support from anyone. It was tough as hell to work at a crappy job and be a full time student but I managed. Short term suffering for long term goals. It's a skill that many in this country seem to lack.

Have you compared the average salary of the kinds of jobs that a college student can hold to the current cost of college? Has, since you went through school, the cost of college risen at the same rate as the compensation for jobs that are getable by people with only a high school diploma and who need flexible schedules?

[Betty]

And how many of those jobs that used to be available are now outsourced?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex

Well, you might want to care more about delivery [than anything else because, really, I've given you plenty of reason to think I'm a rhetorical retard and therefore it is safest to jump to the conclusion assuming me to intend the stupidest possible interpretation you can give my sentences] because...

What I didn't say -

Geez, Alex, you're an idiot because you care only about delivery and nothing about the substance.

What I did say -

I find it interesting that you seemed MORE interested in delivery than substance.

How is it possible that even that statement of mine can be construed as something confrontational as considering you a "rhetorical retard" and taking the "stupidest possible interpretation"?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Have you compared the average salary of the kinds of jobs that a college student can hold to the current cost of college? Has, since you went through school, the cost of college risen at the same rate as the compensation for jobs that are getable by people with only a high school diploma and who need flexible schedules?

Which brings up another point. College is not for everyone. Everyone should be able to attend a college but not everyone should. If your dream is to find a cure to cancer, college is the place to be. If your dream is to drive a truck Harvard would be a bad investment. There is the perception in this country that everyone wants to go to college and be a doctor or rocket scientist. That's just not the case. A very large number of people want to drive a truck or punch an eight hour day making car parts and go home. I know a lot of these people. They look at me with a blackberry strapped to my side 24/7, carrying a laptop with me on vacation and only saying in hotels with Internet access and say man, your life sucks (a direct quote).

It's not just about money. It's about having the freedom to choose what you want. Obama speaks of opportunity, I like opportunity. But I also like keeping what I earn.

[Alex]

Because, for me to have meant what you assumed I meant would be me saying something very stupid.

And you've been doing it a lot lately. So I've come to the conclusion that you're doing it on purpose because I also don't think you're stupid. But if I'm wrong, I apologize.

[scaeagles]

Wrong about me doing it on purpose or wrong about me being stupid?

You don't have to answer that.

I really don't make any attempt to bait. If no one believes that then I can do nothing to change that.

I meant absolutely no offense in suggesting that you were more interested in the delivery than the substance.