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Alex · 08-11-2009, 12:43 PM

Colored president? Is it 1973 again?

innerSpaceman · 08-11-2009, 12:57 PM

The by-now infamous Lindsey Lohan gaffe.

Alex · 08-11-2009, 01:04 PM

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The by-now infamous Lindsey Lohan gaffe.

Ah. Apparently not infamous enough that I'd heard about it (or have completely forgotten if I did).

Gemini Cricket · 08-11-2009, 01:51 PM

I'm all for people voicing their displeasure with government at town hall meetings. But there is a way to do it. And not being composed is a bad way to do it. And when it seems that these people are doing this to simply prevent conversation from happening, then that's distressing to me as well. I mean, there was a guy who came to the Obama town hall meeting with a gun strapped to him. Source I mean, hello?!

Yeah, people are upset about Obama being president and seem to be using this as their way of venting frustration. But you know what? Like I was told when Bush Jr. won twice, he won get over it. Our health care system as it stands now simply doesn't work. I'm all for trying something different.

scaeagles · 08-11-2009, 02:10 PM

Yet you (and others on the left) voiced (sometimes quite emphatically) their opposition and opposed his agenda on many fronts, as did Democrat leaders in the House and Senate. I realize Obama won, as do the people who are opposed to his health care plans, and we're not looking to have him drummed out of office. We are letting it be known we don't like what he is proposing. I see no problem with that. Yes, I see a problem with bringing a gun to where the President is - that's plain stupid.

Pelosi claims she sees demonstrators with swastikas (reality is there was one but that one had a circle with a line drawn through it). She says the protests at the town halls are Unamerican. The dem leadership claims these are organized by insurance and pharmaceutical companies. That's not what's going on. What's going on, for the most part, is the public finding out about the house bill and fearing it and voicing their opposition to a group of people who almost universally admit they haven't read the bill they were so anxious to vote on. The speed with which they believe it has to be passed to me shows they know that it will get only more and more unpopular as the voting public learns about what is in it.

You may be all for something different. Many people might be. But most (according to polls) are against this as the something different.

Alex · 08-11-2009, 02:24 PM

Ok, but half (or more) of the things people say they don't like about the proposals in congress aren't actually in the proposals in congress. These people may be against single payer or single provider (which aren't the same thing). They may be against forced euthenasia. They may encourage their congresscritter to keep the government's hands off Medicaire. But none of those things are in any of the proposals currently before congress.

I'm all for vigorous opposition. I just haven't seen a lot of opposition to ideas actually currently in play.

And I said the people involved were being assholes when they showed up at Bush speeches and tried to shout over him or the Code Pink people doing it at congressional hearings (or by forcing the evacuation of Christopher Hitchens or Ann Coulter from speeches they were giving). And showing up now intending to try and shout down everybody else is still being just as big an asshole.

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The speed with which they believe it has to be passed to me shows they know that it will get only more and more unpopular as the voting public learns about what is in it.

Or, possibly, they know that the more time there is to spread lies about what is in the bill the more of those things will stick in the popular imagination and torpedo the bill regardless of whatever is actually in it. And the sudden emphasis on reading bills line by line in their entirety is suspiciously disingenuous when I'm guessing that not a single Republican had read, in their entirety, the defense budget and "emergency" funding bills for fudning the Iraq war which any attempt to slow down was presented as thoroughly unpatriotic.

I agree they should be well briefed on the contents of bills (though I don't care if they've read it as that is frequently a purely meaningless thing to do). I just also think it would be good if the people criticizing a bill had more familiarity with it as well than just listening to Glenn Beck tell them what WorldNetDaily has told him is in it.

sleepyjeff · 08-11-2009, 04:48 PM

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I have had a question for you scaeagles, that I hope you (and any of the other Republican identified members here*) will answer.

Do have any doubts as to the citizenship of Barack Obama or whether he otherwise fails to meet the constitutional requirements for holding the office of President of the United States?

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter080509.php3

BarTopDancer · 08-11-2009, 04:57 PM

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http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter080509.php3

Because we all know that Ann Coulter is the most reliable source on the planet. I tried to read the article. I really did, but the rambling went off in so many directions that even my ADD brain couldn't keep up.

JWBear · 08-11-2009, 04:48 PM

Sorry Leo, but look at the pictures of the "protesters". Many of the signs they are carrying are anti-Obama sentiments - not against his policies, but against him. There have been quite a few that have compaired him to Hitler (and those were the "nice" ones) complete with swastikas.

Eventually, one of these people are going to do something violent. The GOP and the health insurance companies that are paying for these "protests" are playing with fire.

innerSpaceman · 08-11-2009, 04:59 PM

On the other hand, JW, I don't doubt that many Bush protestors were against him personally.

Before he even became president, his policies as Governor of Texas were enough to make me hate his guts As A Person.

So turnabout seems fair play. Even though many of the protestors used talking points from conservative websites bankrolled by the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries, that's fair play in America, too. If they were motivated by fear, and not by payola, that's fair play protesting in America.

It may be asinine, but it's fair play.

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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I'm all for people voicing their displeasure with government at town hall meetings. But there is a way to do it. And not being composed is a bad way to do it. And when it seems that these people are doing this to simply prevent conversation from happening, then that's distressing to me as well. I mean, there was a guy who came to the Obama town hall meeting with a gun strapped to him. Source I mean, hello?! Yeah, people are upset about Obama being president and seem to be using this as their way of venting frustration. But you know what? Like I was told when Bush Jr. won twice, he won get over it. Our health care system as it stands now simply doesn't work. I'm all for trying something different.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Yet you (and others on the left) voiced (sometimes quite emphatically) their opposition and opposed his agenda on many fronts, as did Democrat leaders in the House and Senate. I realize Obama won, as do the people who are opposed to his health care plans, and we're not looking to have him drummed out of office. We are letting it be known we don't like what he is proposing. I see no problem with that. Yes, I see a problem with bringing a gun to where the President is - that's plain stupid. Pelosi claims she sees demonstrators with swastikas (reality is there was one but that one had a circle with a line drawn through it). She says the protests at the town halls are Unamerican. The dem leadership claims these are organized by insurance and pharmaceutical companies. That's not what's going on. What's going on, for the most part, is the public finding out about the house bill and fearing it and voicing their opposition to a group of people who almost universally admit they haven't read the bill they were so anxious to vote on. The speed with which they believe it has to be passed to me shows they know that it will get only more and more unpopular as the voting public learns about what is in it. You may be all for something different. Many people might be. But most (according to polls) are against this as the something different.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Sorry Leo, but look at the pictures of the "protesters". Many of the signs they are carrying are anti-Obama sentiments - not against his policies, but against him. There have been quite a few that have compaired him to Hitler (and those were the "nice" ones) complete with swastikas. Eventually, one of these people are going to do something violent. The GOP and the health insurance companies that are paying for these "protests" are playing with fire. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	On the other hand, JW, I don't doubt that many Bush protestors were against him personally. Before he even became president, his policies as Governor of Texas were enough to make me hate his guts As A Person. So turnabout seems fair play. Even though many of the protestors used talking points from conservative websites bankrolled by the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries, that's fair play in America, too. If they were motivated by fear, and not by payola, that's fair play protesting in America. It may be asinine, but it's fair play.
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