The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

If the republicans don't want to be ridiculed, perhaps they should avoid pompous statements such as this in the future:

REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA

As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.

That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.

This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.

Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.

Tom Delay
Rob Ney
Scooter Libby
Randy Cunningham
Bill Frist
Tom Foley
Dennis Hastert
Richard Shelby
Michael Scanlon
David Safavian
Katherine Harris
Ralph Reed

All either convicted, indicted, or under investigation.

Federal Budget deficit: 8.5 Trillion

I don't suppose anyone would care to reconcile this information with the "Contract With America"?

[JWBear]

And as for trying to dismiss wrongdoing on one side by saying, “But, but, but… Soandso does that too!” is a poor defense.

Let me ask you this Nephy…. If you were talking to one of your children about something wrong that they had done, what would be your reaction if he/she tried to use the excuse that their brother/sister did it too. Would you let them off the hook? No. Wrongdoing on one side does not excuse wrongdoing on the other.

The actions of some Republican lawmakers can not be dismissed because some Democrats have done bad things as well.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

And as for trying to dismiss wrongdoing on one side by saying, “But, but, but… Soandso does that too!” is a poor defense.

Let me ask you this Nephy…. If you were talking to one of your children about something wrong that they had done, what would be your reaction if he/she tried to use the excuse that their brother/sister did it too. Would you let them off the hook? No. Wrongdoing on one side does not excuse wrongdoing on the other.

The actions of some Republican lawmakers can not be dismissed because some Democrats have done bad things as well.

I have never dismissed wrong doing. Two wrongs don't make a right- but I see hypocrisy and a severe double standard on the other side of the aisle here.

- and everything you said works on the flip side too.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I have never dismissed wrong doing. Two wrongs don't make a right- but I see hypocrisy and a severe double standard on the other side of the aisle here.

- and everything you said works on the flip side too.

You are one of the worst offenders when it comes to the “But, but, but Democrats!” defense to try and excuse something a Republican did.

Here’s another example… If someone is caught stealing, will the judge dismiss the charges when that someone points out to him that someone else stole too? Not likely.

Crimes committed by democratic politicians do not make the crimes of republican politicians go away. Those Republicans still committed those crimes. Any lawmaker, regardless of party, that commits a crime should be relieved of office. No party should be held above the law.

While I am no lover of the Democratic Party, and will not dismiss the illegal actions of a politician from that party, I find there is far more hypocrisy in the Republican Party. I find he current trend of defending the party at all costs – even to the point of putting party loyalty above the good of the country – to be abhorrent. Republican politicians seem incapable of admitting mistakes or accepting blame. This is especially true of the current administration. This is the reason that I will, for the first time in my life, be voting a straight democratic ticket; not because I am loyal to the DNC (I’m not), but because the Republican Party has become too powerful, too corrupt, too greedy, too out of touch. There needs to be a change. Thank the Goddess that the rest of America is coming to that realization as well.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by JWBear

You are one of the worst offenders when it comes to the “But, but, but Democrats!” defense to try and excuse something a Republican did.

Here’s another example… If someone is caught stealing, will the judge dismiss the charges when that someone points out to him that someone else stole too? Not likely.

Crimes committed by democratic politicians do not make the crimes of republican politicians go away. Those Republicans still committed those crimes. Any lawmaker, regardless of party, that commits a crime should be relieved of office. No party should be held above the law.

While I am no lover of the Democratic Party, and will not dismiss the illegal actions of a politician from that party, I find there is far more hypocrisy in the Republican Party. I find he current trend of defending the party at all costs – even to the point of putting party loyalty above the good of the country – to be abhorrent. Republican politicians seem incapable of admitting mistakes or accepting blame. This is especially true of the current administration. This is the reason that I will, for the first time in my life, be voting a straight democratic ticket; not because I am loyal to the DNC (I’m not), but because the Republican Party has become too powerful, too corrupt, too greedy, too out of touch. There needs to be a change. Thank the Goddess that the rest of America is coming to that realization as well.

I don't ever say "but but the democrats-" I will point out the things that they do- doesn't ever mean I excuse the same behavior on the right. I'm sorry you have that impression- but it is not factual nor accurate in how I view things.

You see it your way. I disagree. I don't think one party holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

If anyone would actually kick people out of office for crimes- we would finally be able to start fresh. It won't happen- on either side.

I don't excuse crimes-but I also do not blindly buy into the notion of the right as evil and corrupt- while the left is genuine, caring and able to bring change. The left offers nothing- nothing positive, nothing new.

You know what I think will happen if the dems take congress? They will tick off everyone by raising taxes, trying to give amnesty to illegals, cut and run from the war on terror because they blame us more than our enemies, and they will tie up congress trying to impeach Bush. By the time 2008 rolls around- we'll see who is sick of who.

If you think that is what most of America wants- I'm afraid you are going to be very mistaken.

Bottom line- my life continues just fine no matter who controls congress.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I don't ever say "but but the democrats-" I will point out the things that they do- doesn't ever mean I excuse the same behavior on the right. I'm sorry you have that impression- but it is not factual nor accurate in how I view things.

You certainly do give that impression.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

You see it your way. I disagree. I don't think one party holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

Neither do I. But I see far more of it amongst the Republicans.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I don't excuse crimes-but I also do not blindly buy into the notion of the right as evil and corrupt- while the left is genuine, caring and able to bring change.

That’s not my viewpoint. I don’t think the right is evil, and I don’t hold the left as saints. Life is never that simple. Please do not assume I am simple as well.

The Republican Party has too much power currently. No party should control both Congress and the White House. Power leads to corruption. I used to have respect for the Republican Party. Now… not so much. To much emphasis on retaining power at all cost, too little regard for what is best for the country.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

The left offers nothing- nothing positive, nothing new.

You know what I think will happen if the dems take congress? They will tick off everyone by raising taxes, trying to give amnesty to illegals, cut and run from the war on terror because they blame us more than our enemies, and they will tie up congress trying to impeach Bush.

Is that all you can come up with? Old, empty, tired sloganeering?

They may raise taxes, but could it really make anything worse? The economy is going down the toilet, the Republicans cut taxes for the very rich, and they are bleeding money into Iraq like it’s going out of style. I don’t see much in the way of fiscal responsibility there.

No one is cutting and running from the War on Terror – except Bush. He has done nothing to make the world safer from terrorism. He hasn’t gotten rid of Bin Laden. (Remember him? The guy responsible for 9/11?) And his little war in Iraq has made us much more hated by the Muslim world, replaced a secular government with an Islamic one, and done nothing to stop terrorism. Now he wants to drag us in to another needless war in Iran! I will fully support anyone that has a plan to get us out of that mess and actually go after… you know… terrorists.

If Bush has committed impeachable crimes, then he should be impeached. Notice I said “if”. We don’t know currently because the Republicans are in charge and won’t even investigate.

And when all else fails, using immigrants to scare White America to vote Republican is a good strategy…. “Oh my god… can’t let the Democrats get power – the brown people will get ya!”

Originally Posted by Nephythys

If you think that is what most of America wants- I'm afraid you are going to be very mistaken.

If you think America wants a continuation of the mess we’re in, you have your head in the sand.

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

...cut and run from the war on terror because they blame us more than our enemies,...

What do you mean by "cut and run from the war on terror"?

[Scrooge McSam]

Hope you all are having fun!

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Hope you all are having fun!

Scrooge darlin' we are ALWAYS having fun.

(love the penguin BTW)

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Hope you all are having fun!

C'mon...jump in. The water is nice and warm