The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 141

scaeagles · 10-10-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I'm surprised that you would find it ridiculous to think that the dems were clueless. Isn't that a standard talking point?

Clueless in knowledge, no. Clueless in application of knowledge, yes.

scaeagles · 10-10-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Can the Republicans among us please just man-up and stop casting blame where none lies?

All I've said is "if". I have not claimed a vast left-wing conspiracy. I will again point out that I am the one who brought this up and was beyond angry about it. I have calmed down a bit, obviously.

I will point out, though it doesn't really metter, that quoting from Time to me is like me quoting from Fox News to you.

Gemini Cricket · 10-11-2006, 06:42 AM

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A controversial new study contends nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war, suggesting a far higher death toll than other estimates.
The timing of the survey's release, just a few weeks before the U.S. congressional elections, led one expert to call it "politics."

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For Leo:

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A controversial new study contends nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war, suggesting a far higher death toll than other estimates.
The timing of the survey's release, just a few weeks before the U.S. congressional elections, led one expert to call it "politics."

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Bold emphasis is done by Fox"News".

Alex · 10-11-2006, 08:59 AM

Whoa, deja vu. (In the sense of a high death toll number, that time in relation to the sanctions following the first Gulf War gets the press while the more legitimate methodologies don't get much play.)

I know counting the excess dead is hard to do, but I find it hard to believe that the organizations that actually try to count bodies are missing 13 out of 14 of them.

And there are obvious methodolical concerns with establishing how many people have died based solely on interviews rather than hard counts so I'd be interested in seeing the nitty gritty details on their methodologies.

And if, as the CNN version says, the study authors in a previous version admitted to doing it with specific political goals, then they aren't doing research, they are engaging in activism which should rightly cast a pall over their result.

€uroMeinke · 10-11-2006, 09:43 AM

Hmmm competeing body counts, reminds me of Vietnam...

SacTown Chronic · 10-11-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Clueless in knowledge, no. Clueless in application of knowledge, yes.

Perhaps, but the dems aren't so clueless as to invade Peter because they know Paul attacked America.

Strangler Lewis · 10-11-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

. . .how many people have died based solely on interviews . . .

Those must have been "interviews" conducted in Abu Ghraib.

Alex · 10-11-2006, 09:56 AM

Strangler Lewis · 10-11-2006, 11:03 AM

Death by interview.

Gemini Cricket · 10-11-2006, 11:05 AM

Even if the number is close to 655,000 it's wayyy too many.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Whoa, deja vu. (In the sense of a high death toll number, that time in relation to the sanctions following the first Gulf War gets the press while the more legitimate methodologies don't get much play.) I know counting the excess dead is hard to do, but I find it hard to believe that the organizations that actually try to count bodies are missing 13 out of 14 of them. And there are obvious methodolical concerns with establishing how many people have died based solely on interviews rather than hard counts so I'd be interested in seeing the nitty gritty details on their methodologies. And if, as the CNN version says, the study authors in a previous version admitted to doing it with specific political goals, then they aren't doing research, they are engaging in activism which should rightly cast a pall over their result.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	Hmmm competeing body counts, reminds me of Vietnam... __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Huh?
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Death by interview. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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10-11-2006, 11:05 AM	#1410
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Even if the number is close to 655,000 it's wayyy too many.
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