Israel, Lebanon, and Gaza - Page 16

Gn2Dlnd · 07-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Scraped, more like.

Blecch.

scaeagles · 07-21-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

So you licked it all off?

His secret service detail might have frowned on that.

Disneyphile · 07-21-2006, 05:36 PM

Not to tread on anyone here, but I have only two things to say about this whole ME mess:

For centuries, man has killed fellow man over a plot of dirt. I don't care who stood there or whatever, the fact remains that it's still just a plot of dirt. Fighting over it for "sacred" reasons is just pointless and stupid.
God, protect me from your followers. Amen.

Disneyphile · 07-22-2006, 11:22 PM

Oh, and my post above is not directed at anyone here - it's seriously just how I feel about the whole crap in the Middle East.

scaeagles · 07-23-2006, 07:03 PM

I'm curious....apparently John Kerry has said that if he were President, what's happening in the Middle East (specifically Israel and Labanon) wouldn't be happening.

"If I was president, this wouldn't have happened," said Kerry.

While I think he is completely full of himself, I wonder what everyone else thinks about this.

What I found to be most interesting is how he said that we should have been focusing on Hezbollah. Does this mean that if we had invaded Lebanon he would have been supportive? I sincerely doubt it. Or better yet, if we had invaded Iran, the chief financiers of Helbollah, he would have been supportive? Not a chance.

However, I am open to the possibility that should Kerry be President, this would not be happening, but certainly not because Kerry would be doing anything to prevent it. I personally believe that Iran is giving orders to Hezbollah to up the violence into full scale war to distract the attention of the international community away from Iran trying to continue with their nuclear programs.

I don't think with Kerry in office Iran would feel a need to distract the international community.

wendybeth · 07-23-2006, 07:22 PM

If Iran were a pit-bull, Kerry would probably try and make nice with it or simply ignore it. Bush takes a big stick and repeatedly pokes it- which is more likely to piss it off? Never mind that the pit-bull is an asshole and everyone is afraid of it, the point is which method is more likely to result in a less tragic outcome?

Motorboat Cruiser · 07-23-2006, 07:36 PM

Well, not that it was the most stable place to begin with, but I definitely think we have aided in the destabilization of the region by our efforts in Iraq. We kicked a hornet’s nest and now our enemies are just a little extra thirsty for blood, both from us, and our allies.

Could Kerry have made a noticeable difference, had he become President? I’m pretty skeptical of that assertion. The damage was already done. This is a mess that won’t be cleared up for years to come, in my opinion.

innerSpaceman · 07-23-2006, 07:54 PM

Yeah, it makes me quite sad that it doesn't much matter who's President or who's elected to any position in government.

The goal of those who crave power is always to change things to such a degree that no one can turn back the tide. I think that has happened with Iraq, and I think it has happened - or is fiendishly close - in many other vital spheres of the world - be it globalcorporate, religiofundamentalism, profit medicine, elected government, or earthspanning capital.

Alex · 07-23-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

If Iran were a pit-bull, Kerry would probably try and make nice with it or simply ignore it. Bush takes a big stick and repeatedly pokes it- which is more likely to piss it off? Never mind that the pit-bull is an asshole and everyone is afraid of it, the point is which method is more likely to result in a less tragic outcome?

How do you define less tragic. I think one produces tragic (not that I really lay what is happening in Israel-Lebanon at the feet of Bush) now and the other produces tragic next year.

This year you say why didn't you leave the dog alone? Next year you say why did you get the dog get so out of control.

wendybeth · 07-23-2006, 10:58 PM

It makes much more sense to at least ensure a fence is betwixt you and the dog before you poke it, Alex.

07-21-2006, 04:19 PM	#151
Gn2Dlnd Parmmadore Jim Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Casita del Queso Posts: 3,810	Scraped, more like. Blecch. __________________ Does anyone still wear a hat?
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07-21-2006, 05:36 PM	#153
Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	Not to tread on anyone here, but I have only two things to say about this whole ME mess: For centuries, man has killed fellow man over a plot of dirt. I don't care who stood there or whatever, the fact remains that it's still just a plot of dirt. Fighting over it for "sacred" reasons is just pointless and stupid. God, protect me from your followers. Amen.
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07-22-2006, 11:22 PM	#154
Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	Oh, and my post above is not directed at anyone here - it's seriously just how I feel about the whole crap in the Middle East.
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07-23-2006, 07:03 PM	#155
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm curious....apparently John Kerry has said that if he were President, what's happening in the Middle East (specifically Israel and Labanon) wouldn't be happening. "If I was president, this wouldn't have happened," said Kerry. While I think he is completely full of himself, I wonder what everyone else thinks about this. What I found to be most interesting is how he said that we should have been focusing on Hezbollah. Does this mean that if we had invaded Lebanon he would have been supportive? I sincerely doubt it. Or better yet, if we had invaded Iran, the chief financiers of Helbollah, he would have been supportive? Not a chance. However, I am open to the possibility that should Kerry be President, this would not be happening, but certainly not because Kerry would be doing anything to prevent it. I personally believe that Iran is giving orders to Hezbollah to up the violence into full scale war to distract the attention of the international community away from Iran trying to continue with their nuclear programs. I don't think with Kerry in office Iran would feel a need to distract the international community.
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07-23-2006, 07:22 PM	#156
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	If Iran were a pit-bull, Kerry would probably try and make nice with it or simply ignore it. Bush takes a big stick and repeatedly pokes it- which is more likely to piss it off? Never mind that the pit-bull is an asshole and everyone is afraid of it, the point is which method is more likely to result in a less tragic outcome? __________________
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07-23-2006, 07:36 PM	#157
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Well, not that it was the most stable place to begin with, but I definitely think we have aided in the destabilization of the region by our efforts in Iraq. We kicked a hornet’s nest and now our enemies are just a little extra thirsty for blood, both from us, and our allies. Could Kerry have made a noticeable difference, had he become President? I’m pretty skeptical of that assertion. The damage was already done. This is a mess that won’t be cleared up for years to come, in my opinion.
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07-23-2006, 07:54 PM	#158
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, it makes me quite sad that it doesn't much matter who's President or who's elected to any position in government. The goal of those who crave power is always to change things to such a degree that no one can turn back the tide. I think that has happened with Iraq, and I think it has happened - or is fiendishly close - in many other vital spheres of the world - be it globalcorporate, religiofundamentalism, profit medicine, elected government, or earthspanning capital.
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07-23-2006, 10:58 PM	#160
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	It makes much more sense to at least ensure a fence is betwixt you and the dog before you poke it, Alex. __________________
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