A Prop 8 challenge for swankers - Page 16

Moonliner · 10-28-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Betty

Well of course it wasn't you!

And yeah - I hear you on the arguing thing. It just makes me angry.

I look at the few lawn signs in our neighborhood and think poorly of the people who live there.

FYI - in the house that's for rent, the yes on 8 sign I mentioned before was down within a day. First it was kicked over, then removed. I like to think someoene called the rental company and said WTF.

It was clearly the neighbors sign as it's now up in their yard and has been ever since.

But now with the lawn signs, it's very easy to see who the neighborhood idiots are. Maybe we should avoid their houses on Halloween. We wouldn't want to catch "the bigotry" from them and their tainted candy.

Before you heap too much vitriol on the neighbours, take a moment to reflect that many people seem to view this not as a gay rights issue, but as an issue of the state interfering with their freedom of religion.

BarTopDancer · 10-28-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

Before you heap too much vitriol on the neighbours, take a moment to reflect that many people seem to view this not as a gay rights issue, but as an issue of the state interfering with their freedom of religion.

Except it's not. It's one religion trying to impose their views on the rest of the state. It doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form, yet they want to take away rights for thousands of people. I certainly won't be standing up for them if their rights are ever in jeopardy.

BarTopDancer · 10-27-2008, 06:12 PM

On my way home I had some words with a Yes on 8 supporter at the corner of Alicia and Trabucco.

Me: Don't vote to take away rights!
Supporter: They already have rights!
Me: Exactly! YOU'RE trying to take them away!
Supporter - starts to walk away
Me: You know I'm right or you wouldn't be walking away.
Supporter - turns around
Me: What would Jesus do? I don't think he'd be cool with being hateful and discriminatory towards others.
Supporter - She opens her mouth to say something
Me: you know I'm right

and the light turned green.

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Probably not the smartest thing to do, but driving past them 10 times a week (2x a day x 5 days a week) gets to you.

alphabassettgrrl · 10-27-2008, 06:20 PM

I wasn't able to get a "no on 8" yard sign because too many people already wanted them and they ran out. They hope to get some in soon.

I talked to our bus driver on the trip home (just a few minutes) and his question was about churches- that they'd have to change. No, churches (as far as I've seen) still get to choose who they marry. I didn't ask which way he was voting (if I take the bus again, maybe I will) but at least he's voting.

Minor. I know. I gave all the corner "yes" supporters the thumbs down over the weekend. I doubt they saw it but I can't pass and do nothing.

Kevy Baby · 10-27-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

No, churches (as far as I've seen) still get to choose who they marry.

I like to give two specific examples: the Catholic church (most will not allow you to marry in the church unless you are Catholic) and the LDS church. According to the latter, one is not "truly" married unless you are married in THE Temple in SLC (I don't know the official name). And, unless you are an LDS, you aren't even allowed to ATTEND (to witness) a marriage in that Temple.

alphabassettgrrl · 10-27-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I like to give two specific examples: the Catholic church (most will not allow you to marry in the church unless you are Catholic) and the LDS church.

Yeah. That.

Kevy Baby · 10-27-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

Yeah. That.

When you can specifics, it always makes the argument stronger.

Well, almost always...

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2008, 03:02 PM

Dianne Feinstein is featured in the newest No on 8 ad:
See it here.

Well, good for her.

BarTopDancer · 10-27-2008, 06:42 PM

I had a conversation with my LDS co-worker today. He's voting Yes (I tried, and I'll keep trying). On a positive note he doesn't believe the campaign ads on TV about teaching in school and thinks it's messed up to use the MA laws as what will happen in CA (and he shares that information with others).

He also thinks that regardless of what way the election goes people who are gay will eventually have the actual right to marry.

I ended the conversation asking him who will stand up when people come for his rights, or his daughters rights. No answer.

Morrigoon · 10-27-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I had a conversation with my LDS co-worker today. He's voting Yes (I tried, and I'll keep trying). On a positive note he doesn't believe the campaign ads on TV about teaching in school and thinks it's messed up to use the MA laws as what will happen in CA (and he shares that information with others).

He also thinks that regardless of what way the election goes people who are gay will eventually have the actual right to marry.

I ended the conversation asking him who will stand up when people come for his rights, or his daughters rights. No answer.

Failing that, maybe you can at least convince him to abstain?

10-27-2008, 06:12 PM	#3
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	On my way home I had some words with a Yes on 8 supporter at the corner of Alicia and Trabucco. Me: Don't vote to take away rights! Supporter: They already have rights! Me: Exactly! YOU'RE trying to take them away! Supporter - starts to walk away Me: You know I'm right or you wouldn't be walking away. Supporter - turns around Me: What would Jesus do? I don't think he'd be cool with being hateful and discriminatory towards others. Supporter - She opens her mouth to say something Me: you know I'm right and the light turned green. --- Probably not the smartest thing to do, but driving past them 10 times a week (2x a day x 5 days a week) gets to you. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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10-27-2008, 06:20 PM	#4
alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I wasn't able to get a "no on 8" yard sign because too many people already wanted them and they ran out. They hope to get some in soon. I talked to our bus driver on the trip home (just a few minutes) and his question was about churches- that they'd have to change. No, churches (as far as I've seen) still get to choose who they marry. I didn't ask which way he was voting (if I take the bus again, maybe I will) but at least he's voting. Minor. I know. I gave all the corner "yes" supporters the thumbs down over the weekend. I doubt they saw it but I can't pass and do nothing. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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10-28-2008, 03:02 PM	#8
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Dianne Feinstein is featured in the newest No on 8 ad: See it here. Well, good for her.
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10-27-2008, 06:42 PM	#9
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	I had a conversation with my LDS co-worker today. He's voting Yes (I tried, and I'll keep trying). On a positive note he doesn't believe the campaign ads on TV about teaching in school and thinks it's messed up to use the MA laws as what will happen in CA (and he shares that information with others). He also thinks that regardless of what way the election goes people who are gay will eventually have the actual right to marry. I ended the conversation asking him who will stand up when people come for his rights, or his daughters rights. No answer. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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