A Prop 8 challenge for swankers - Page 18

Kevy Baby · 10-28-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Betty

But now with the lawn signs, it's very easy to see who the neighborhood idiots are. Maybe we should avoid their houses on Halloween. We wouldn't want to catch "the bigotry" from them and their tainted candy.

Or, go as a gay couple. Siegfried and Roy, Ellen and Portia, Bert and Ernie

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

It's one religion trying to impose their views on the rest of the state.

Actually, it is not just one religion.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I wasn't able to convince my two Mormon crewmates to at least abstain.

What; were they doing it right there on the lawn?

alphabassettgrrl · 10-28-2008, 09:36 AM

ISM- that's a good way to handle it. We can all disagree, but it's definitely progress to handle that disagreement with respect and cordiality. The biggest problem I have with politics today is the vilification of the other side simply because they're "the other side".

Kevy Baby · 10-28-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

The biggest problem I have with politics today is the vilification of the other side simply because they're "the other side".

Which, unfortunately, we are seeing right here in this thread.

Betty · 10-28-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Which, unfortunately, we are seeing right here in this thread.

Okay - that was probably for me.

Spewing spite and all. I won't actually get off my butt and do anything about it... so lazy and spiteful I guess I am.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-28-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Which, unfortunately, we are seeing right here in this thread.

I tolerate a great many opinions and differences of belief. However I draw the line at attempting to deprive someone of equal rights.

BarTopDancer · 10-28-2008, 09:54 AM

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm quickly losing respect for anyone who is voting Yes because the church told them so. I actually gained respect for my co-worker because he has his own thoughts on the issue.

When one can have a discussion and back up their choices, it's one thing. When all they can do is spout lies and propaganda it's another.

And it may be more than one religion, but LDS has funded something like 77% of the Yes on 8 campaign. They are the church I'm holding responsible for this campaign of hatred.

Strangler Lewis · 10-28-2008, 10:00 AM

ISM, what principled case did your Mormon friends make other than telling you to your face that your lifestyle was immoral? If there is such a case to be made, I haven't heard the Prop. 8 folks make it.

innerSpaceman · 10-28-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

ISM, what principled case did your Mormon friends make other than telling you to your face that your lifestyle was immoral? If there is such a case to be made, I haven't heard the Prop. 8 folks make it.

Nope, that's it.

Who am I to tell them what their moral code should be, and who are they to tell me?

They would vote to outlaw drinking and smoking if given the opportunity. They are just trying to make the world a better place by their vote, based on their personal (I'm sure LDS-influenced) views of what a better place would look like.

Certainly, I have a moral code that brooks little opposition. And I certainly vote and take other actions to make the world a better place in my view.

Minding my own damn business and not impinging on the rights of others is my own view of a better place, but who am I to declare it must be the view of everyone?

Funny, though, how they think nothing of voting to take away my rights to marry ... but have never once had a talk with me to influence my decisions to drink alcohol, smoke pot, or have sex with men. These discussions would have been fruitless, and I'm sure they knew that ... but I knew my asking them to abstain or vote No on 8 would be fruitless, and yet I certainly had that dicussion with them.

I'm bothered they feel they can go into the voting boothy to take away my right to marry, but won't just ask me nicely not to marry another guy. Heheh.

Still, their petty bigotry, intolerance, and religiousity small mindedness are but small elements of otherwise wonderful people. I will remain friends with them. My predilections for drinking, gettting high, and sucking dick are but small elements of the "otherwise" wonderful Zlick, and so they will remain friends with me.

I tried.

They are literally the only two people I know who will be voting Yes on 8, so I have no one else I can hope to convince.

Still, I'd like to do something in these final days. I really dropped the ball on working to defeat Prop 8.

Betty · 10-28-2008, 10:05 AM

Mark and Brian had a funny sketch I heard this morning that was a replay from yesterday... a spoof of the Yes on 8 ads... not sure if you can hear it but it really made fun of them. If you vote no on 8, you'll turn gay, so will your kids, even your dog will be gay, type of thing.

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2008, 10:12 AM

My friend Stephanie wrote something amazing on her Facebook page about losing her father this past weekend and one of the difficulties her father's partner faced after Steph's dad's death.

It's much too long to post here. But I did re-post it on my Facebook page for people to read.

It's a powerful piece.

Check it out.

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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	ISM- that's a good way to handle it. We can all disagree, but it's definitely progress to handle that disagreement with respect and cordiality. The biggest problem I have with politics today is the vilification of the other side simply because they're "the other side". __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm quickly losing respect for anyone who is voting Yes because the church told them so. I actually gained respect for my co-worker because he has his own thoughts on the issue. When one can have a discussion and back up their choices, it's one thing. When all they can do is spout lies and propaganda it's another. And it may be more than one religion, but LDS has funded something like 77% of the Yes on 8 campaign. They are the church I'm holding responsible for this campaign of hatred. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	ISM, what principled case did your Mormon friends make other than telling you to your face that your lifestyle was immoral? If there is such a case to be made, I haven't heard the Prop. 8 folks make it. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	Mark and Brian had a funny sketch I heard this morning that was a replay from yesterday... a spoof of the Yes on 8 ads... not sure if you can hear it but it really made fun of them. If you vote no on 8, you'll turn gay, so will your kids, even your dog will be gay, type of thing. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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10-28-2008, 10:12 AM	#10
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	My friend Stephanie wrote something amazing on her Facebook page about losing her father this past weekend and one of the difficulties her father's partner faced after Steph's dad's death. It's much too long to post here. But I did re-post it on my Facebook page for people to read. It's a powerful piece. Check it out.
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