Debates of all ilk - Page 19

JWBear · 10-02-2008, 08:21 PM

I agree, she did much better. But the cutesy folkisms have got to go!

Alex · 10-02-2008, 08:23 PM

You could tell they not only did a lot of coaching but had her memorize very specific speeches. The way she was rushing her lines, particularly at the beginning made that obvious. But she didn't fall on her face, she just didn't do anything that evidence native knowledge of the subjects. Even on her supposed strong topic of energy (which was her fall back whenever given a question she didn't want to answer) she never really said anything specific.

The format was pretty much to her advantage as it made direct confrontation almost impossible and no follow up questions.

I couldn't tell whether she was saying the constitution gave her expanded powers (wrong) or if she thought she should get expanded powers (bad). That was really the only interest position taken by either her or Biden.

Of course, when you are defending your interpretation of the recent comments by "commanders" in Afghanistan, it would probably be best that when you repeat someone names in a familiar way that you get the name right.

flippyshark · 10-02-2008, 09:08 PM

Palin got one important phrase backwards. She talked about a "toxic mess on Main Street that's affecting Wall Street." I'm pretty sure she meant the other way around. Minor, but I haven't heard anyone mention it yet.

A couple of her blatant dodges were grating, essentially saying 'I'm not gonna answer that, I'm gonna talk about what I was told to talk about.' But, yeah, better than I expected.

Noo-kyoo-lar! Really, Governor Palin, is it that hard to say "nuclear?" Say the word NEW, then say the word CLEAR (kinda draw it out a little), put them together and you're pretty much there. Sheesh.

innerSpaceman · 10-02-2008, 09:22 PM

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A couple of her blatant dodges were grating, essentially saying 'I'm not gonna answer that, I'm gonna talk about what I was told to talk about.'

This is where I was really disappointed with Gwen Ifill. The other candidates did it with Lehrer, too. But Lehrer let the world know they were pathetically ducking questions. Gwen gave them a complete pass, and both of them ducked questions often and inartfully. Palin's duckings were particularly awkward.

But she only gave one gibberish answer. I suppose after the week she's had, it's considered a victory that she wasn't speaking in tongues through the whole thing.

Gemini Cricket · 10-02-2008, 09:15 PM

I also thought the "I've only been at this for 5 1/2 weeks" line was not smart.

Gemini Cricket · 10-02-2008, 09:24 PM

Gwen seemed stricter last time. I remember Cheney saying something like 'I wish I had longer to answer this question' and she said, 'Well, you don't.'
Love her.

Tenigma · 10-02-2008, 10:15 PM

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Gwen seemed stricter last time. I remember Cheney saying something like 'I wish I had longer to answer this question' and she said, 'Well, you don't.'

Maybe she was being extra careful what with the right dogging her about her upcoming book.

By the way the New York Times has a fact check on all the things they said in the debate (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ntial-debate/). Overall I think Biden had a higher score there.

She did OK. She didn't faint or fail, much to the GREAT relief of the right. Biden held firm and focused on McCain. Both sides did fine, neither blundered. To me this was NOT a gamechanger, which means we're still where we were before the debate.

LSPoorEeyorick · 10-02-2008, 09:29 PM

Yes, I'll agree with Alex and GC. She didn't make as much of a fool of herself as she has in the very recent past. But to me, she only demonstrated that she can memorize passages and come up with twee phrases and redirects to substitute in when she doesn't know the answer of the question she's being asked. She was frequently timid and left Biden with the last word.

And, boy, he did an excellent job of saying it. I was very moved by his talk about family, I was very pleased with his firm stances - he was polite (didn't even correct her when she mispronounced the general's name) but he did not let up on the weaknesses in their arguments. It's a debate, and it often seemed one-sided because she refused to step outside of her rote answers to actually discuss.

And, yes. If you've only been doing this for 5 weeks, you're in no position to take this position.

CoasterMatt · 10-02-2008, 09:37 PM

Maybe they should have just done a dance battle?

Tenigma · 10-02-2008, 10:10 PM

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Maybe they should have just done a dance battle?

You mean LIKE THIS?!?!?

10-02-2008, 08:21 PM	#1
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I agree, she did much better. But the cutesy folkisms have got to go! __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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10-02-2008, 08:23 PM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	You could tell they not only did a lot of coaching but had her memorize very specific speeches. The way she was rushing her lines, particularly at the beginning made that obvious. But she didn't fall on her face, she just didn't do anything that evidence native knowledge of the subjects. Even on her supposed strong topic of energy (which was her fall back whenever given a question she didn't want to answer) she never really said anything specific. The format was pretty much to her advantage as it made direct confrontation almost impossible and no follow up questions. I couldn't tell whether she was saying the constitution gave her expanded powers (wrong) or if she thought she should get expanded powers (bad). That was really the only interest position taken by either her or Biden. Of course, when you are defending your interpretation of the recent comments by "commanders" in Afghanistan, it would probably be best that when you repeat someone names in a familiar way that you get the name right.
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10-02-2008, 09:08 PM	#3
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	Palin got one important phrase backwards. She talked about a "toxic mess on Main Street that's affecting Wall Street." I'm pretty sure she meant the other way around. Minor, but I haven't heard anyone mention it yet. A couple of her blatant dodges were grating, essentially saying 'I'm not gonna answer that, I'm gonna talk about what I was told to talk about.' But, yeah, better than I expected. Noo-kyoo-lar! Really, Governor Palin, is it that hard to say "nuclear?" Say the word NEW, then say the word CLEAR (kinda draw it out a little), put them together and you're pretty much there. Sheesh.
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10-02-2008, 09:15 PM	#5
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I also thought the "I've only been at this for 5 1/2 weeks" line was not smart.
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10-02-2008, 09:24 PM	#6
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Gwen seemed stricter last time. I remember Cheney saying something like 'I wish I had longer to answer this question' and she said, 'Well, you don't.' Love her.
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10-02-2008, 09:29 PM	#8
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Yes, I'll agree with Alex and GC. She didn't make as much of a fool of herself as she has in the very recent past. But to me, she only demonstrated that she can memorize passages and come up with twee phrases and redirects to substitute in when she doesn't know the answer of the question she's being asked. She was frequently timid and left Biden with the last word. And, boy, he did an excellent job of saying it. I was very moved by his talk about family, I was very pleased with his firm stances - he was polite (didn't even correct her when she mispronounced the general's name) but he did not let up on the weaknesses in their arguments. It's a debate, and it often seemed one-sided because she refused to step outside of her rote answers to actually discuss. And, yes. If you've only been doing this for 5 weeks, you're in no position to take this position.
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10-02-2008, 09:37 PM	#9
CoasterMatt BRAAAAAAAINS! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: One Step Beyond... Posts: 8,802	Maybe they should have just done a dance battle? __________________ Do you like my photography? Visit photosbymatt.tumblr.com to purchase prints!
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