The Gay Thread

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[Ghoulish Delight]

The most recent episode of South Park should be required watching for anyone following this thread (GC - I'm particularly looking at you)

The F Word

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The most recent episode of South Park should be required watching for anyone following this thread (GC - I'm particularly looking at you)

The F Word

Okay, I'll watch it. Here goes. I'll be back in 21 minutes and 37 seconds.

[Gemini Cricket]

I really liked that episode. It was severely funny.

"There's little flags stuck in the sh*t!"

I have no problem with this episode at all. South Park has demonstrated gay-friendly messages time and time again in previous episodes. I don't see a problem with them parodying LGBT people or issues.

I mean, Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave are married for crying out loud.

I don't see a problem with them trying to change the definition of the word "fag". I believe a lot of people (kids mostly) using the word and don't mean it to be derogatory towards gay people. With that being said, I oddly enough have a problem with people using "gay" to mean "lame". Especially when it's done so by someone who knows it bugs other people and are gay themselves.

I don't use either word unless I'm doing it to parody people who do. Which I guess that is why I have no problem with the South Park episode.

Also, (Ooh. Johnny Weismuller is on TCM in a loin cloth!) I think the gay rights organizations who are up in arms about this are lame. They should be focusing on why gay marriage initiatives are failing all over this country. They shouldn't be spending time skewering allies. I think it's only a matter of time before LGBT people and gay friendly folk are going to start questioning the effectiveness of these groups that have a lot of money and seemingly have very little power to change sh*t... with little flags stuck in them.



ETA:

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

ok you should be back now.

Pure coincidence that I clicked in this thread at this time.

Well, sheesh! Give a girl a chance to write, will ya?
lol

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I oddly enough have a problem with people using "gay" to mean "lame". Especially when it's done so by someone who knows it bugs other people and are gay themselves.

Even if not meant so, I'll take that as a dig at me. And I beg to differ.

While I try (and often fail) to refrain when I know the phrase bugs people, I believe both the word "Fag" and the phrase "That's so gay" are least potentially offensive when said by gays.

Only blacks can say the word that can't even be typed on the LoT, and queers call each other Fag in the most affectionate manner. I'm glad "That's so gay" can be uttered by straights and not be an insult to gays. Certainly it can be uttered by gays. Sheesh.


But, yeah, I use it only in reference to things flaming gaysters would like, or would stereotypically like. Never about a person, or something that's lame for one of a myriad of other reasons. Eskimos have 12 different words for snow, after all.

[innerSpaceman]

I happen to agree with the philosophy of that episode, though more than a few in the gay community are upset with it.

They point out if "Fag" were replaced with the word I can't even type on the LoT, the show would have been pulled. Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that word meanings can change. "That's so gay" and "Fag" may be firmly rooted in homo insults, but their meaning is evolving and queers needn't get their frilly panties in such a bunch about people using them to insult things that aren't homosexual.


Now that I'm no longer SGA, I'll likely go back to using, "That's so gay." And I only wish the Fag word could be successfully disarmed. That won't happen by continuing to take needless offense as it naturally evolves. It doesn't mean Harley Riders yet, but it's not just about homos anymore.

[Ghoulish Delight]

"You can be gay and not be a fag".

[BarTopDancer]

ok you should be back now.

Pure coincidence that I clicked in this thread at this time.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Plus...fvck Harley riders, total fags.

I think the episode made its best point when they went through the full etemology of the word.

Regarding "gay", I'm torn. On the one hand, I do agree with G.C.'s point. While it's gotten to the point that most people use it to mean "lame" rather than "homosexual", it still very heavily leans toward, "I think you're lame, therefore I'm going to call you gay because, as we all know, homosexuals are lame. So even though I don't mean that you are a guy who prefers penis to vagina, I do mean that I hate that aspect of your personality as much as I hate homosexuals."

On the other hand...it's a fun word to say and I can't stop myself saying it! For the most part I use it in the iSm sense, not so much to mean "lame", but more to just mean, "Wow, that's something a flaming homo would like, but not me." For example - "Holy crap, the furniture in here is gaaaaaaay!" But I'll cop to using it in the more general "lame" use case, though almost exclusively in reference to aesthetic choices as opposed to calling someone, or someone's actions "gay"...almost exclusively.

I'd don't love that I continue to use it. I think the arrival of the kiddo will finally break me of it as I will be more conscious of my language usage overall.

[Gemini Cricket]

GD ~ Yeah, f*ck those Harley fags.

I must admit that I do use "gay" to mean "something a gay would like". Like me watching Tarzan the Ape Man right now because Johnny Weismuller is totally hot. That's totally gay! I don't mind people using "gay" in that way, especially if I know the user is gay-friendly.