Nothing like proving the point-

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm with NA and GD on this point. Also, may I ask why you put Muslim "faith" in quotes? I'm not baiting, I'm curious.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

I'm with NA and GD on this point. Also, may I ask why you put Muslim "faith" in quotes? I'm not baiting, I'm curious.

I'm not going to bother lying- I am not going to pretend I respect this particular faith. I don't.

....and I know you were not baiting me, it's a fair question and I am being honest about it. Anyone who does want to bait me or judge me- save it.

However- note that I did not say AL Muslims- anywhere. So I am not judging all of any group- but I am pointing out that these actions seem to prove the quote from the Pope.

....and I never said reactionary violence was a Muslim trait- I said there were not other large religions who turned to mob violence when confronted with something they did not like (recall what some Muslims did about those cartoons in Denmark)- but then I conceded that the violence in Ireland is an example of another large group reacting with violence.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

However- note that I did not say AL Muslims- anywhere. So I am not judging all of any group-

Buy you blame it on the religion, not the individuals.

For example, "try to convince me this is a "peaceful" religion." You're condemning an entire religion based on the actions of a small percentage of its followers.

but I am pointing out that these actions seem to prove the quote from the Pope.

All it proves to me is that Muslims are subject to the same human failings as any group of people.

....and I never said reactionary violence was a Muslim trait- I said there were not other large religions who turned to mob violence when confronted with something they did not like (recall what some Muslims did about those cartoons in Denmark)- but then I conceded that the violence in Ireland is an example of another large group reacting with violence.

I can't imagine that that's the first time someone's mentioned the IRA in a discussion with you. Heck, I'm quite certain I've used it as an example several times before.

But if you'd like more examples, look up "Army of God", "Lord's Resistance Army", "Nagaland Rebels", "Christian Identity", "Westboro Baptist Church"...

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

...But if you'd like more examples, look up "Army of God", "Lord's Resistance Army", "Nagaland Rebels", "Christian Identity", "Westboro Baptist Church"...

You beat me too it!

[Boss Radio]

It's all about good PR.

The radical clerics use any pretext to pose for the cameras and play the media as expertly as our team, only better because they have God and oil on their side, and all we have is McDonalds and Jesus which ultimately sucks because McDonald's has no nutritional value and Jesus was a pacifist.

The cartoons. The Pope. It's all so predictable. And funny.

Unless you're the nun who got offed.

[Nephythys]

ya know what I find funny-

You have Christian radicals- and some people happily paint all Christians with that brush.

You have Muslim radicals- and people jump in to defend the group and insist that it's just a fringe.

Not pointing fingers- if you feel defensive about my comment, maybe you are one of those who does it......or not.

I guess I have seen too many people say that radical Christians are more dangerous than radical Muslims- meh.....

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

ya know what I find funny-

You have Christian radicals- and some people happily paint all Christians with that brush.

You have Muslim radicals- and people jump in to defend the group and insist that it's just a fringe.

Not pointing fingers- if you feel defensive about my comment, maybe you are one of those who does it......or not.

I guess I have seen too many people say that radical Christians are more dangerous than radical Muslims- meh.....

So, it's OK to paint all Muslims with the same brush as you did above but it's not OK do paint Christians with same said brush? Or, am I missing something very important here?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

So, it's OK to paint all Muslims with the same brush as you did above but it's not OK do paint Christians with same said brush? Or, am I missing something very important here?

yes, you missed something, I did not say all Muslims-I didn't. You made an assumption.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

yes, you missed something, I did not say all Muslims-I didn't. You made an assumption.

No, but you implied that the Muslim religion has some special property in it, as opposed to any other religion, that predilects it. And THAT'S the point of bringing up the Crusades. Obviously it has nothing to do with Christianity now. And obviously, as I mentioned, the extremist Islam movement is the most motivated and organized currently. But the crusades, the holocaust, and countless other examples disprove the notion that Islam is somehow special in that regard. At this time in history, that's where the religion is, but it's not a unique feature of the religion by any stretch.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No, but you implied that the Muslim religion has some special property in it, as opposed to any other religion, that predilects it. And THAT'S the point of bringing up the Crusades. Obviously it has nothing to do with Christianity now. And obviously, as I mentioned, the extremist Islam movement is the most motivated and organized currently. But the crusades, the holocaust, and countless other examples disprove the notion that Islam is somehow special in that regard. At this time in history, that's where the religion is, but it's not a unique feature of the religion by any stretch.

No- I said that no other modern religion reacts with mob violence and threats of death or actual murder these days. Though if you want to start taking the Koran apart there are many verses that encourage and support that violence.

Sadly the Muslim faith has been like this for a long time- they just have scarier weapons now.

It just seems ironic, and throwing other faiths in is IMO a distraction. The Pope cites a quote that says that Islam is evil and inhuman and in response some Muslims demand his death- they demand his execution as the only way to right the "wrong" which I think- turns around and proves the point of the quote.

You come to me, and say that Christianity is evil and inhuman, and I'll likely be annoyed...but I sure as hell don't think Christians will rise up and demand your death as atonement.