Star Wars Legacy revealed - Page 2

mousepod · 05-29-2007, 10:56 AM

I really think that the whole idea that Lucas was influenced by Joseph Campbell is a case of history rewriting itself. If you look at any of the early Star Wars scripts, the story is very different than the one we eventually saw on the screen. If anything, Georgie cribbed from movies more than anything.

Darn! I meant to rewatch "The Hidden Fortress" over the weekend.

mousepod · 05-29-2007, 11:06 AM

Maybe there was air all around the Cloud City, so that maintenance crews didn't have to carry oxygen.

Tref · 05-29-2007, 11:12 AM

Be it as it may, here is a preview of the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars

http://starwars.com/video/view/000478.html

mousepod · 05-29-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tref

Be it as it may, here is a preview of the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars

http://starwars.com/video/view/000478.html

I'm not scared of the animated series. Actually, Episode 2.5 (the cartoon network series) was my favorite of the second trilogy.

There's a great fanedit that takes all of the short episodes and strings them together (minus opening and closing credits) - it's a satisfying movie.

Amberosia · 05-29-2007, 04:41 PM

It lost me when they started comparing the journey of Anakin/Darth Vader to that of Lucifer/Satan. I mean, as far as films go, there's no question that Star Wars is an epic tale. But to compare it to the Bible?? And by that logic, shouldn't that have meant that there was a Jesus figure as his good counterpart? Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I can't recall anyone dying for the sins of the Rebel Alliance. Maybe an argument could be made for Obi Wan Kenobi, but that's a stretch.

eeyore19 · 05-31-2007, 04:02 PM

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Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I can't recall anyone dying for the sins of the Rebel Alliance.

Jar Jar died for somebody's sins, but not mine....

Ghoulish Delight · 05-31-2007, 04:12 PM

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And by that logic, shouldn't that have meant that there was a Jesus figure as his good counterpart? Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I can't recall anyone dying for the sins of the Rebel Alliance. Maybe an argument could be made for Obi Wan Kenobi, but that's a stretch.

I think you're confusing inspiration and mimicry. Heck, I think Lucas and the History channel were confusing the two in regards to the prequels. Whether or not you can pinpoint perfectly analogs between Star Wars and the bible, I think there's no doubt that the motivations and message were influenced by it.

The mark of a good epic/mythic tale is that it draws from themes that resonate through our shared folk history and presents them in relevant, interesting, and hopefully unique ways. The mark of a bad epic/mythic tale is that it simply regurgitates old news. The original Star Wars did a lot more of the former than the prequels did. Heck, the construct of this stupid History channel show, showing the parallels between the two trilogies, kinda proves my point that they were entirely derivative, nothing new to offer.

Gemini Cricket · 05-31-2007, 04:20 PM

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Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I can't recall anyone dying for the sins of the Rebel Alliance.

In Jedi, Mon Mothma says that many Bothans died to find out information for the Rebel Alliance... does that count?

Chernabog · 05-29-2007, 04:57 PM

So when are they re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re releasing the movies for the 30th anniversary DVD?

(Lucasfilm: "Oh my GAWD we found the Masters from Georgie the Hutt's vaults!!! Now the originals finally are cleaned up, and you lucky people can pay $150 for it all, don't you feel lucky that you have the HONOR of paying for Georgie's next high-carb meal!")

innerSpaceman · 05-29-2007, 05:40 PM

Nope, they let the 30th come and go with a big yawn.

BUT - Cloud City is on Bespin, which has a breathable atmosphere, even at that altitude. People are shown outdoors on Cloud City all the time. What are you smokin', BarTopDancer?

Similarly, spaceship cockpits can have oxygen in them. They are a sealed environment.

Those are two of the most plausible techno elements in Star Wars. The self-terminating beams of lightsabers, interplanetary and nimble maneuvering capabilities of small fighter craft, and light-speed capabilities of larger craft are far more outlandish.

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mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I really think that the whole idea that Lucas was influenced by Joseph Campbell is a case of history rewriting itself. If you look at any of the early Star Wars scripts, the story is very different than the one we eventually saw on the screen. If anything, Georgie cribbed from movies more than anything. Darn! I meant to rewatch "The Hidden Fortress" over the weekend. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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Tref Not Tref Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,188	Its the History Channel, what do you expect? They had a $5 budget. Be it as it may, here is a preview of the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars http://starwars.com/video/view/000478.html __________________ Tref3.0 Listen in aural 3-D to Pop's muzak! (New songs added semi-bi-daily) j & j Did you know that Emas eht yltcaxe is exactly the same spelled backwards?!
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Amberosia Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 14	It lost me when they started comparing the journey of Anakin/Darth Vader to that of Lucifer/Satan. I mean, as far as films go, there's no question that Star Wars is an epic tale. But to compare it to the Bible?? And by that logic, shouldn't that have meant that there was a Jesus figure as his good counterpart? Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I can't recall anyone dying for the sins of the Rebel Alliance. Maybe an argument could be made for Obi Wan Kenobi, but that's a stretch.
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Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	So when are they re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re releasing the movies for the 30th anniversary DVD? (Lucasfilm: "Oh my GAWD we found the Masters from Georgie the Hutt's vaults!!! Now the originals finally are cleaned up, and you lucky people can pay $150 for it all, don't you feel lucky that you have the HONOR of paying for Georgie's next high-carb meal!") __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Nope, they let the 30th come and go with a big yawn. BUT - Cloud City is on Bespin, which has a breathable atmosphere, even at that altitude. People are shown outdoors on Cloud City all the time. What are you smokin', BarTopDancer? Similarly, spaceship cockpits can have oxygen in them. They are a sealed environment. Those are two of the most plausible techno elements in Star Wars. The self-terminating beams of lightsabers, interplanetary and nimble maneuvering capabilities of small fighter craft, and light-speed capabilities of larger craft are far more outlandish.
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