The death penalty - Page 2

BarTopDancer · 03-03-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

I will never ever ever be able to grasp the mindset that frets about an innocent man being executed on death row, yet wholeheartedly supports a so-called woman's right to choose which means the death of a totally innocent life. (yes- let's quibble about "life"- not)

And I'll never understand the mindset of someone who is so pro-life being able to support the death penalty when the person involved may be a totally innocent life. Death is death.

I'm on the fence about the death penalty. There's still too great of a chance that an innocent person will die. But I think if the person comes out and admits it and has zero remorse s/he should. Going to prison is supposed to be a punishment, a place to sit and think about what you did. Someone with no remorse is just wasting tax payers money.

I'm glad the Court set the age of 18 as the youngest age one can "qualify" for it. While I don't think there is a *magic age* it is the legal age to vote and join the military. I also thinks this stops the slipperly slope of how young is too young to receive it.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

And I'll never understand the mindset of someone who is so pro-life being able to support the death penalty when the person involved may be a totally innocent life. Death is death.

I'm on the fence about the death penalty. There's still too great of a chance that an innocent person will die. But I think if the person comes out and admits it and has zero remorse s/he should. Going to prison is supposed to be a punishment, a place to sit and think about what you did. Someone with no remorse is just wasting tax payers money.

There is a distinct difference to me between "maybe" (especially when they are found guilty through the course of the law) and "most certainly innocent" in regards to the abortion issue.

But in order to not digress-

Does someone have any accurate (as non-biased as possible) stats on how many people have been executed who were later exonerated? I still don't buy this notion that we are going along willy nilly killing innocent people with the death penalty.

Why bother with a trial and penalty phase if we are then just going to freak out at the notion that "maybe" someone was not guilty-

SacTown Chronic · 03-03-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

Does someone have any accurate (as non-biased as possible) stats on how many people have been executed who were later exonerated? I still don't buy this notion that we are going along willy nilly killing innocent people with the death penalty.

How many do you need? How many of your loved ones would need to be wrongly executed for you to be outraged?

One is one too many.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

How many do you need? How many of your loved ones would need to be wrongly executed for you to be outraged?

One is one too many.

...emotional guilt trips are not the point here- I guarantee you the families of murder victims are sick of the killers languishing in prison as well. Why is the outrage of a convicted murderers family more valid than the outrage of the victims family???

The question still stands.

innerSpaceman · 03-02-2005, 05:36 PM

I'm against it. And I'll murder anybody who feels differently.

Not Afraid · 03-02-2005, 06:08 PM

Let's be clear and relatively unrealistic here.

Someone burtally murders one of my loved one - and I do mean brutally - they deserve justice held by the court system and then, if so decided upon by a jury if their peers (like that's going to happen) they deserve to die some awful death. Buh bye. Now, if this person gets off or doesn't get caught, I will possible go Wild West on them and do the justice myself. But, I have genes that go waaaaaay back to former justice systems and, that's beyond my control.

lizziebith · 03-02-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

go Wild West on them and do the justice myself.

Oooooh. Details please on going Wild West on them...

O.K. I'm sick.

And I really don't want the world to be blind and toothless.

Good reminder, ISM.

innerSpaceman · 03-02-2005, 06:11 PM

Blind and toothless, anyone?

mhrc4 · 03-02-2005, 10:45 PM

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Blind and toothless, anyone?

sounds good, im for it!

wendybeth · 03-03-2005, 12:56 AM

Once again, the old red herring gets thrown in the ring before any serious discussion can begin. This thread is about the Death Penalty, not abortion, and if one feels like starting an abortion thread, by all means, go ahead. Don't hijack another's thread to do it- not cool at all.

I think my opinion has obviously been influenced by personal events, but I can project myself out of those and look at it fairly dispassionately. I believe in the concept of the Social Contract - you live in a society, you live by their rules. You commit an atrocity like murder- and I don't mean heat of the moment or vehicular homicide- I mean a calculated, cold blooded murder, well then you know what dues you may have to pay. The man that murdered that little five year old a few years ago in California? Death penalty. Charles Manson? Death. The BTK killer? Death, even though he gets to skate because the penalty wasn't in effect during his rampage. There is no rehabilitating these monsters. They are outside of society, and chose to be that way. Even so , I think the evidence must be incontrovertable- DNA, confession, whatever. Texas is playing it too fast and loose, and I fear that innocent people may be falling victim.

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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Let's be clear and relatively unrealistic here. Someone burtally murders one of my loved one - and I do mean brutally - they deserve justice held by the court system and then, if so decided upon by a jury if their peers (like that's going to happen) they deserve to die some awful death. Buh bye. Now, if this person gets off or doesn't get caught, I will possible go Wild West on them and do the justice myself. But, I have genes that go waaaaaay back to former justice systems and, that's beyond my control.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Blind and toothless, anyone?
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Once again, the old red herring gets thrown in the ring before any serious discussion can begin. This thread is about the Death Penalty, not abortion, and if one feels like starting an abortion thread, by all means, go ahead. Don't hijack another's thread to do it- not cool at all. I think my opinion has obviously been influenced by personal events, but I can project myself out of those and look at it fairly dispassionately. I believe in the concept of the Social Contract - you live in a society, you live by their rules. You commit an atrocity like murder- and I don't mean heat of the moment or vehicular homicide- I mean a calculated, cold blooded murder, well then you know what dues you may have to pay. The man that murdered that little five year old a few years ago in California? Death penalty. Charles Manson? Death. The BTK killer? Death, even though he gets to skate because the penalty wasn't in effect during his rampage. There is no rehabilitating these monsters. They are outside of society, and chose to be that way. Even so , I think the evidence must be incontrovertable- DNA, confession, whatever. Texas is playing it too fast and loose, and I fear that innocent people may be falling victim. __________________
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