Do You Believe? - Page 2

Alex · 08-04-2008, 03:34 PM

iSm, I'm curious if you've read Vincent Bugliosi's comprehensive book on the Kennedy assassination. I haven't read the whole thing but he seems to pretty comprehensively tackle much of what was in the movie. Were any of the 16 books pro-Oswald (as the assassin) or were they all books advocating some non-Oswald theory?

And my problem with the movie was that it didn't so much lay out a case for the assassination but rather lay out all of the cases for the assassination and many of them are mutually contradictory (but it has been a long time since I saw the movie so I won't live by that) where Theory A explains this thing while Theory B explains that thing but neither of them explains both things but both Theory A and B can't be true simultaneously.

Kevy Baby · 08-04-2008, 03:44 PM

I believe that Moonliner wears a tinfoil hat.

scaeagles · 08-04-2008, 03:45 PM

I believe Moonliners's post might make me ill.

JWBear · 08-04-2008, 03:47 PM

I believe that the WTC was brought down solely by being hit by two large jetliners full of fuel. However, I believe the damage to the Pentagon is inconsistent with being hit by a large jetliner, but have no logical alternative explanation.

I believe we will never know the entire truth about the Kennedy assassination.

Moonliner · 08-04-2008, 03:52 PM

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I believe Moonliners's post might make me ill.

I believe an evil person could read an innuendo into that and add it to the quote system.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-04-2008, 03:54 PM

I do not believe in duality. That is, I believe that consciousness is a result of/a component in the physical universe and not a separate entity governed by its own laws.

I believe, "I made this choice because I wanted to," and, "I made this choice because the probability clouds of every single particle of matter in existence since the beginning of the universe happened to collapse in a way that culminated in my brain synapses firing in a particular pattern," to be identical statements, equally true.

I believe it's entirely reasonable to consider "humanity" as a single entity with its own consciousness, though consciousness that is unrecognizable to us.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-04-2008, 04:03 PM

As GD somewhat alluded to - I'm really beginning to believe that our universe is the microverse to some ginormous other reality, and that our microverse of beyond the smallest particles we can detect is it's own reality. Whether or not there is anything with consciousness way high or way low on the scale is entirely unknowable to us, because they would work on entirely different systems. I'm not talking the difference between quantum and gravitational physics, but a difference so vast that there's no detecting it, no translating it, no knowing it.

Alex · 08-04-2008, 04:07 PM

Then, out of curiosity, if it is undetectable, unknowable, and there is no evidence of it, what is the point in believing in it?

In other words, what separates it from the myriad other things equally uknowable and unevidenced that you don't believe in?

Also, if you haven't read it, Leonard Susskind's recent The Black Hole War is a very interesting look into bringing together quantum and relativistic gravity.

Kevy Baby · 08-04-2008, 04:09 PM

I believe gravity sucks

JWBear · 08-04-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I believe gravity sucks

If gravity wasn't there, and we all flew off into space, you'd be singing a different tune, mister.

08-04-2008, 03:34 PM	#11
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	iSm, I'm curious if you've read Vincent Bugliosi's comprehensive book on the Kennedy assassination. I haven't read the whole thing but he seems to pretty comprehensively tackle much of what was in the movie. Were any of the 16 books pro-Oswald (as the assassin) or were they all books advocating some non-Oswald theory? And my problem with the movie was that it didn't so much lay out a case for the assassination but rather lay out all of the cases for the assassination and many of them are mutually contradictory (but it has been a long time since I saw the movie so I won't live by that) where Theory A explains this thing while Theory B explains that thing but neither of them explains both things but both Theory A and B can't be true simultaneously.
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08-04-2008, 03:44 PM	#12
Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	I believe that Moonliner wears a tinfoil hat. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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08-04-2008, 03:45 PM	#13
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I believe Moonliners's post might make me ill.
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08-04-2008, 03:47 PM	#14
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I believe that the WTC was brought down solely by being hit by two large jetliners full of fuel. However, I believe the damage to the Pentagon is inconsistent with being hit by a large jetliner, but have no logical alternative explanation. I believe we will never know the entire truth about the Kennedy assassination. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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08-04-2008, 03:54 PM	#16
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I do not believe in duality. That is, I believe that consciousness is a result of/a component in the physical universe and not a separate entity governed by its own laws. I believe, "I made this choice because I wanted to," and, "I made this choice because the probability clouds of every single particle of matter in existence since the beginning of the universe happened to collapse in a way that culminated in my brain synapses firing in a particular pattern," to be identical statements, equally true. I believe it's entirely reasonable to consider "humanity" as a single entity with its own consciousness, though consciousness that is unrecognizable to us. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-04-2008, 04:03 PM	#17
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	As GD somewhat alluded to - I'm really beginning to believe that our universe is the microverse to some ginormous other reality, and that our microverse of beyond the smallest particles we can detect is it's own reality. Whether or not there is anything with consciousness way high or way low on the scale is entirely unknowable to us, because they would work on entirely different systems. I'm not talking the difference between quantum and gravitational physics, but a difference so vast that there's no detecting it, no translating it, no knowing it. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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08-04-2008, 04:07 PM	#18
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Then, out of curiosity, if it is undetectable, unknowable, and there is no evidence of it, what is the point in believing in it? In other words, what separates it from the myriad other things equally uknowable and unevidenced that you don't believe in? Also, if you haven't read it, Leonard Susskind's recent The Black Hole War is a very interesting look into bringing together quantum and relativistic gravity.
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08-04-2008, 04:09 PM	#19
Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	I believe gravity sucks __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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