Legalize it! Town mayor's dogs shot by SWAT team in erroneous drug bust - Page 2

Ghoulish Delight · 08-08-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Suing won't bring the dogs back...

No, but it might wake a few people up to what they're doing wrong and prevent future fvckups.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 08-08-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No, but it might wake a few people up to what they're doing wrong and prevent future fvckups.

If that were true, everyone would be sueing each other 24/7, which we are already close to doing anyway in our society. Someone put Disney City Hall in charge, damit!!

Alex · 08-08-2008, 01:50 PM

Ignoring the general abuse and overuse of no knock warrants, it turns out the police didn't actually have one. So they had no right, legally, to create the situation that put them in danger and forced them to shoot the dogs.

And the fact that it was a scheme has already been determined. They've arrested the FedEx driver involved.

The purpose of a no-knock warrant is to either protect evidence against being destroyed (which seems unlikely with 32 pounds of marijuana) or to protect the police against an expectation of violence should they announce themselves (and if merely possessing pot creates that risk then we'll really have to just disagree).

It seems awfully circular to then claim that the protection against violence was the tool that created the violence that they had to protect themselves against.

Alex · 08-08-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No, but it might wake a few people up to what they're doing wrong and prevent future fvckups.

And perhaps bring enough public pressure to bear on political forces to reform the abuse of no-knock warrants.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-08-2008, 01:52 PM

Just because there are people who abuse lawsuits doesn't mean there aren't cases where it's warranted (so to speak). The police f'ckd up big time. I don't fault an officer for pulling the trigger with dogs charging them. I do fault whomever made the decision to illegally break into someone's home.

Morrigoon · 08-08-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No, but it might wake a few people up to what they're doing wrong and prevent future fvckups.

I didn't mean they shouldn't... just that the loss of a member of your family is huge, and not something that a few grand in a lawsuit is going to rectify. Even a few million, while more on par with the loss, is not ever going to make up for the fact that two innocent dogs, who did exactly what they ought to do, lost their lives.

Sorry, I can't get over the loss of an innocent dog. That bugs me more than a human getting shot - a human at least has a chance to make a judgement call on how to behave in the presence of a police officer. The dogs don't stand a chance. This kind of thing makes me cry inside.

Tenigma · 08-08-2008, 02:37 PM

By the way I read some more articles, and the mayor is now saying that the cops shot the second dog as it was RUNNING AWAY. Grrrr.

alphabassettgrrl · 08-08-2008, 02:49 PM

No reason to shoot the dog if it's running AWAY.

Fire the guy who decided to bust in on a regular warrant. There was no justification for no-knock from what I've read. The recipient of the package is by definition an innocent party. If I get something I didn't order, and a cop tells me it's part of a drug scheme, I'll give you the rotten thing. No need to bust in my door.

Gemini Cricket · 08-08-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenigma

No-knock warrants are for the dogs.

That made me cringe a little bit.

08-08-2008, 01:50 PM	#13
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ignoring the general abuse and overuse of no knock warrants, it turns out the police didn't actually have one. So they had no right, legally, to create the situation that put them in danger and forced them to shoot the dogs. And the fact that it was a scheme has already been determined. They've arrested the FedEx driver involved. The purpose of a no-knock warrant is to either protect evidence against being destroyed (which seems unlikely with 32 pounds of marijuana) or to protect the police against an expectation of violence should they announce themselves (and if merely possessing pot creates that risk then we'll really have to just disagree). It seems awfully circular to then claim that the protection against violence was the tool that created the violence that they had to protect themselves against.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Just because there are people who abuse lawsuits doesn't mean there aren't cases where it's warranted (so to speak). The police f'ckd up big time. I don't fault an officer for pulling the trigger with dogs charging them. I do fault whomever made the decision to illegally break into someone's home. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Tenigma Fired up, ready to go! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: BarackObama.com Posts: 235	By the way I read some more articles, and the mayor is now saying that the cops shot the second dog as it was RUNNING AWAY. Grrrr. __________________ "Tradition in America is a progression of individual freedoms. You know what the tradition of America would say? Gay marriage is the next step in the progression. That's the tradition of America." - Jon Stewart, talking to Bill O'Reilly on the Daily Show, November 13, 2008.
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	No reason to shoot the dog if it's running AWAY. Fire the guy who decided to bust in on a regular warrant. There was no justification for no-knock from what I've read. The recipient of the package is by definition an innocent party. If I get something I didn't order, and a cop tells me it's part of a drug scheme, I'll give you the rotten thing. No need to bust in my door. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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