Lost season three - right around the corner

[Ghoulish Delight]

I disagree. The Hurley episode was a break as well and I loved it. I don't require or expect every episode to reveal something earth shattering. Heck, I appreciate the occasional break in story episodes because, with a minimum of 2 seasons to go after this, they obviously are going to be creating more questions than they answer for a while.

This was just a bad episode with poorly developed characters, thin plot devices, and poor pacing.

[sleepyjeff]

So the fence is, after all, to keep the smoke monster out....

or is it?

Juliet said ....as Kate glares at her "alright, we don't know what it is but we know it doesn't like our fences".

The way that is phrased, it could mean that the fence was built for something else and it is just happenstance that smokie can't get thru it.

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[scaeagles]

A fine episode indeed.

I was to the point of trusting Juliet. Now I am not so sure.....she was playing Kate until Smokie was about to get them and then she gets through the fence to save herself, telling Kate she in fact was aware of a weakness in it.

Does she know what it is?

Next week looks great....

Spoiler:

I love when Sayid become Sayid the Interrogator. He plays it so well, and I think the interaction between him and Juliet will be even better than it was between him and Ben.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I enjoyed the episode but they're still getting themselves into issues that really don't make sense, IMHO.

Dumping the girls in the jungle but leaving Jack and Sayid behind...huh? I have a feeling we'll never get an explanation for that, except that the writers wanted to have the girls fight in the rain and get muddy. Jack could have stayed unconscious that long indoors with the canister but Sayid was supposedly outside and should have woken up the same time the girls did.

Seeing Kate kick the sht out of that bitch really made my evening. I hate both the character and the actress equally. Also out of character, I thought, was how Kate somehow instantly forgave her for the handcuff thing. She totally should have punched her and pushed her into the sound fence. Wouldn't you want to kill the chick who locked you up, tortured you, kept your friends hostage, etc etc? BTW, did Juliet wake up next to Kate in the forest, happen to have handcuffs on her, and handcuff them together? Or were they handcuffed but Juliet discovered the keys in her pocket? Why in hell would the Others set them up either way?

And why would Sayid and Kate let Jack bring Juliet with? She hasn't proven herself in the slightest. If the Others leave someone behind, you don't take them in! What happened to Sayid the protector?? (I do not watch previews for next week so I'm sure there'll be more about this, but their shrug shoulders attitude just made no f'n sense.)

GD pointed out to me (credit where it's due) that Sawyer is a con man and shouldn't have any trouble getting people to like him if he wanted them to. All the awkwardness makes for fun TV but makes no sense in light of his character. I was kind of irked that he got credit for the boar feast also. Was it because he brought beer?

Even the good episodes include so many out of character moments that it's pretty annoying.

On the good side....John's conversion is awesome, dealing with Jack back at camp should be fun.....the show will continue to have my attention, that's for sure.

[JWBear]

My take on it is that Juliet didn’t get gassed. She dragged Kate out into the jungle and handcuffed herself to her. She was only pretending to be asleep. She knew the fence was off because she either turned it off herself, or found it off when she dragged Kate out.

I think her plan was to get Kate’s trust so that she would have another person on her side. She didn’t want to be left alone, so joining up with the Losties was better than staying at the Barracks by herself.
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[Ghoulish Delight]

My current suspicion is that Juliet and Kate were purposely dragged out and cuffed together to give Juliet a chance to gain her trust. That much would make sense. What doesn't make any sense is Kate being completely unphased by the fact that the two of them were dragged into the jungle but Jack and Sayid were left where they dropped (how did Juliet know to find Sayid?). Why does Kate not question this at all?

Why doesn't anyone ever question anything? Why didn't Kate and Sayid grill Alex's boyfriend. Why doesn't anyone ever ask, "What the fvck is the Dharma initiative?" Above all else, that's becoming the most implausible thing about this show and it's really starting to grate on me.

And yes, I call shenanigans on the Sawyer thing.

ETA: What JW said, that was my other theory on Kate and Juliet. Which, of course, still leaves her loyalties ambiguous as she could be trying to gain their trust for one of many reasons.

[Stan4dSteph]

Is it too much to think that after 3 months on the island, some of the characters might be changing? I don't see it as so far out of character for Sawyer to see that given his situation, faking nice isn't going to cut it this time. If something goes bad, he has nowhere to run off to, which up to now I'm sure he did on a regular basis. I doubt he stayed anywhere more than 3 months at a time.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

Is it too much to think that after 3 months on the island, some of the characters might be changing? I don't see it as so far out of character for Sawyer to see that given his situation, faking nice isn't going to cut it this time. If something goes bad, he has nowhere to run off to, which up to now I'm sure he did on a regular basis. I doubt he stayed anywhere more than 3 months at a time.

He thought he was facing living without food or shelter. He would have at least TRIED to turn on the con-man charm. I don't buy for an instant that, as good a con man as he was, that he had no clue how to make a woman with a baby smile. I'd buy the episode if he tried that for a while until people saw through it. But to make it out that he is completely incapable of getting people to like him turns him into a thin caricature instead of a believable character.

[Stan4dSteph]

I guess I'm just not as nitpicky. Oh well, I enjoy watching and don't sweat the details.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

He thought he was facing living without food or shelter. He would have at least TRIED to turn on the con-man charm. I don't buy for an instant that, as good a con man as he was, that he had no clue how to make a woman with a baby smile. I'd buy the episode if he tried that for a while until people saw through it. But to make it out that he is completely incapable of getting people to like him turns him into a thin caricature instead of a believable character.

I think the difference is that the castaways KNOW he's an ass. It's probably harder to turn on the charm, and be believable, if you're aware that people already know what you're capable of.

I imagine pre-island, if he was trying to scam Claire, pretending to love a baby might not have been so hard. But pretending to care about a baby when he's already been heard talking about how he could give a fig about them? Well...I didn't find some of that part of the episode too hard to swallow.

That people would turn to him as a leader? That I find hard to swallow.

I enjoyed the episode because I do like the actress who plays Juliet (have since I saw her in Gia) and I do like her character. Not sure she's trustworthy in general, but I understand why Jack trusts and cares for her.

But like you I can't stand that the characters don't ask questions. They don't, I guess, because the producers aren't willing to answer them. But it makes their characters look really, really stupid.

And though I get that Kate would want to beat Juliet up because she lied to her, beating her up earlier in the episode because she's *jealous* of her connection to Jack was just stupid and nasty. Not necessarily out of character, I guess.