The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 21

Ghoulish Delight · 04-20-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Repeat after me....."posse comitatus".

I realize your comment is tongue in cheek, but just for the record, someone who bombs abortion clinics is no Christian.

But someone who bombs a restaurant in Baghdad is a Muslim?

scaeagles · 04-20-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

But someone who bombs a restaurant in Baghdad is a Muslim?

You bring up an interesting point.

I believe that Islam is moving more and more in the direction of violence in order to achieve their goals. I do not believe this is the case with Christianity today. Today, "radical Chirstians" are those who would try to use the political process to achieve their goals. There are idiots like you Fred Phelps crowd, but I am not aware of daily violence (or even monthly violence) as a method of acquiring power.

Radical Islam most certainly does. And you don't find many Muslim leaders - whether Imams or whomever - condemning violence against Jews and Israel.

JWBear · 04-20-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Repeat after me....."posse comitatus".

I realize your comment is tongue in cheek, but just for the record, someone who bombs abortion clinics is no Christian.

And "Islamic" terrorist bombers are no Muslims, either.

scaeagles · 04-20-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

And "Islamic" terrorist bombers are no Muslims, either.

Please refer to my post a couple posts after the one you quoted in response to GD's similar question (#217 in the thread).

Motorboat Cruiser · 04-20-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

I find it sad that when there is a group out there who want us converted or dead- who kill gay men for the act of simply being gay- who want to impose their religion on those who claim to want freedom from such things- who want to subjugate women-the response is "we don't need the military, we're the bad guys, and we need to just stop defending ourselves"

Sad......and blind

You do understand that the rights of religious freedom and the rights of women in Iraq is decreasing post-invasion, rather than increasing, right? Iraq was a secular nation. Now, it's new constitution clearly states that Islam will be the official language. If you think that bodes well for women, gays, religious freedom, or the US, I fear you are mistaken.

Not Afraid · 04-20-2006, 08:32 AM

Why is it that soooo many people don't see the grey. It must be boring in black and white. Or, maybe it is just easier to understand that way.

wendybeth · 04-20-2006, 08:41 AM

What I find sad is that we are not going after the terrorists, just all the people that look like them- except in our airports, of course.

Scaeagles, I am surprised at your restraint regarding the slamming of prior admins- is this some new policy?

scaeagles · 04-20-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Scaeagles, I am surprised at your restraint regarding the slamming of prior admins- is this some new policy?

I got tired of being told that history didn't matter, and that everything in the world that has gone wrong or could go wrong is as a direct result of this administration.

So yeah....perhaps it is a new policy, but not because I don't think it still applies.

Nephythys · 04-20-2006, 08:38 AM

when people want you dead Lisa- there is no grey.

They are using our lax illegal immigration laws to sneak in and get false papers.

They are setting up camp in our country, for the purpose of destroying us.

If we stop fighting them-we will welcome their threat into our homes.

YOU of all people-with some of the dear friends you have close to your heart-should not be seeing grey when it comes to such a threat.

You can't paint this with grey paint and make Islamic radicals into your friends- you value your independence, your ability to travel, you treasure free thought and art and expression- you're a free spirit- and these people want to take that away from you- for being a woman, for being NON-Muslim.

So you want to tell me how I see the world- in black and white- I guess I would have to say that I think you are seeing it through rose colored lenses that refuse to acknowledge the threat to all that you love.

scaeagles · 04-20-2006, 08:44 AM

Sane people don't scare me with nukes. Insane people do. I regard the leaders of N. Korea and Iran to be insane. You are attempting to apply logic to those that are not logical. You are attempting to apply economic sense to those who don't care about economics. The "kooks with nukes" phrase spells out exactly why we must be prepared - kooks aren't exactly predictable. Should North Korea decide to do something stupid like nuke Japan, or should Iran be far ahead of where we believe they are with regards to acquiring nukes and take out Isreal, or somehow they got one into LA, the buzz would be that not enough attention was paid to those two countries and that we didn't do enough to prevent it. Isn't that what happened with 9/11? Why weren't we more prepared? Shouldn't we have been able to prevent it?

What bothers me, and I do it as well, is second guessing everything. Whenever something bad happens, the cry is that we should have been able to prevent it. If we are actively working to prevent cetain things, and nothing on those fronts happens, then often the cry is that we are doing too much to stop something that is not the threat. It's a no win.

I do not fear a direct invasion by the Chinese anymore than I feared a direct invasion by the Soviets. However, I do fear what will happen when China decides to finally invade Taiwan.

As far as economic, crippling the US economy would bring great joy to Kim Jong Ill and Iran's guy (I just have no idea how to spell his name), as well as to a whole bunch of other smaller players in the world, like a Syria or the Palestinians or Chavez in Venezuela or Cuba or.....the list goes on and on. China needs our dollars in trade too much to directly attack us, and I believe that fact alone is why they have yet to invade Taiwan.

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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	when people want you dead Lisa- there is no grey. They are using our lax illegal immigration laws to sneak in and get false papers. They are setting up camp in our country, for the purpose of destroying us. If we stop fighting them-we will welcome their threat into our homes. YOU of all people-with some of the dear friends you have close to your heart-should not be seeing grey when it comes to such a threat. You can't paint this with grey paint and make Islamic radicals into your friends- you value your independence, your ability to travel, you treasure free thought and art and expression- you're a free spirit- and these people want to take that away from you- for being a woman, for being NON-Muslim. So you want to tell me how I see the world- in black and white- I guess I would have to say that I think you are seeing it through rose colored lenses that refuse to acknowledge the threat to all that you love.
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04-20-2006, 08:44 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Sane people don't scare me with nukes. Insane people do. I regard the leaders of N. Korea and Iran to be insane. You are attempting to apply logic to those that are not logical. You are attempting to apply economic sense to those who don't care about economics. The "kooks with nukes" phrase spells out exactly why we must be prepared - kooks aren't exactly predictable. Should North Korea decide to do something stupid like nuke Japan, or should Iran be far ahead of where we believe they are with regards to acquiring nukes and take out Isreal, or somehow they got one into LA, the buzz would be that not enough attention was paid to those two countries and that we didn't do enough to prevent it. Isn't that what happened with 9/11? Why weren't we more prepared? Shouldn't we have been able to prevent it? What bothers me, and I do it as well, is second guessing everything. Whenever something bad happens, the cry is that we should have been able to prevent it. If we are actively working to prevent cetain things, and nothing on those fronts happens, then often the cry is that we are doing too much to stop something that is not the threat. It's a no win. I do not fear a direct invasion by the Chinese anymore than I feared a direct invasion by the Soviets. However, I do fear what will happen when China decides to finally invade Taiwan. As far as economic, crippling the US economy would bring great joy to Kim Jong Ill and Iran's guy (I just have no idea how to spell his name), as well as to a whole bunch of other smaller players in the world, like a Syria or the Palestinians or Chavez in Venezuela or Cuba or.....the list goes on and on. China needs our dollars in trade too much to directly attack us, and I believe that fact alone is why they have yet to invade Taiwan.
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