The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 259

BarTopDancer · 01-04-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Can you elaborate?

Because right now I'm thinking of Bush, Iraq v2.0, the housing market, oil prices, impending recession.... because he thought it was the right thing to do.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'm not sure if I should go about defending Bush on these things or not....there is only one thing that is really attributable to Bush in your list

I was really looking for an elaboration about things that you think Obama will do "because he thinks they are right" that you will take issue with. I don't want to get into a debate about Bush, because we both know we can beat that issue until it's dead and then beat it some more.

sleepyjeff · 01-04-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Very disappointed with Giuliani's failure to show. I'm not sure his campaign can really afford to focus on the large states at the expense of the small. Especially with the very first primary. He runs the risk of not being taken seriously by the media.

Actually, after seeing what happened to Hillary(who was advised by some of her former handlers to skip Iowa altogether), Rudy might be congratulating himself right about now.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Honestly, the only thing there that should be laid at the feet of Bush is Iraq. Disagreement on that point is valid, but on the other points, they are outside his scope of control, and they should be. The problem is that whenever there is a problem everyone expects the government to impose policies and pass laws to solve the problem, and more problems are created by the solution more often than not. It is not the job of the government to fix everything. It is the job of government to stay out of the way.

So in short, when it comes to Presidential elections one should not listen to promises regarding domestic issues since Presidents really don't have the ability to deliver....Universal Health Care, immigration reform, even tax cuts are really the domain of congress. We've had 19 years of Republican Presidents(to 12 of Dems) since Roe v Wade and no change there either. Where Presidents have immense power is foreign policy and therefore that is where we should be looking to when choosing a President.

Strip away all the flowery talk and Promises of domestic Nirvana from all of these candidates and one is left with only a couple of gentlemen who are really qualified to be President.....neither of which finished above 4th place last night.

innerSpaceman · 01-04-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

It is not the job of the government to fix everything. It is the job of government to stay out of the way.

I do not give the government one-third of everything I earn so they can "stay out of the way."

scaeagles · 01-05-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I do not give the government one-third of everything I earn so they can "stay out of the way."

We shouldn't be giving the government one third of everything we earn.

scaeagles · 01-04-2008, 01:17 PM

Obama believes it is right to raise income taxes on "the rich". Problem is that income taxes are a tax on the accumulation of wealth.

Obama wants a universal health care program.

Obama will pull our troops out of Iraq.

I don't trust Obama on foregin policy at all, but can only base my opinion on what he has said about Iran earlier in the campaign. I fear similar mistakes will be made with Iran that Clinton made with North Korea - giving away tech for a false promise of no weapons built, and even beyond that damage, again similar to Clinton with helping the Chinese development missile technology.

LSPoorEeyorick · 01-04-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Obama believes it is right to raise income taxes on "the rich". Problem is that income taxes are a tax on the accumulation of wealth.

Obama wants a universal health care program.

Obama will pull our troops out of Iraq.

Thank you for the point-by-point list of some of the reasons I support Obama!

I may have missed it, but did anyone post that long political beliefs meme that's been sluicing around LiveJournal lately?

Morrigoon · 01-04-2008, 02:17 PM

For the sake of argument, anyone who needs to see the Obama speech can view it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZaq-YKCnE

Morrigoon · 01-04-2008, 02:21 PM

Is it just me, or are all the "red" and "blue" politicians starting to wear ties that match their affiliation?

innerSpaceman · 01-05-2008, 09:03 AM

Yeah, that's all well and good .... perhaps "give" was not the right word.

I'm sure you're quite aware that they take it.

And maybe they shouldn't. I very much agree. But since they are, I rather prefer they do something with it to improve the situation of other Americans whose money they take, and not use it to our disadvantage or worse.

scaeagles · 01-05-2008, 10:02 AM

Take it? Isn't the tax code voluntary? (hahahahahahaha)

This is why I am for tax cuts in any and every form (income taxes particularly), and I think they could be lowered IMMENSELY. Tax cuts historically raise tax revenues becuase of increased economic activity, but I don't really want the government to have more money. This means we could cut them a whole lot.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Obama believes it is right to raise income taxes on "the rich". Problem is that income taxes are a tax on the accumulation of wealth. Obama wants a universal health care program. Obama will pull our troops out of Iraq. I don't trust Obama on foregin policy at all, but can only base my opinion on what he has said about Iran earlier in the campaign. I fear similar mistakes will be made with Iran that Clinton made with North Korea - giving away tech for a false promise of no weapons built, and even beyond that damage, again similar to Clinton with helping the Chinese development missile technology.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	For the sake of argument, anyone who needs to see the Obama speech can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZaq-YKCnE __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Is it just me, or are all the "red" and "blue" politicians starting to wear ties that match their affiliation? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, that's all well and good .... perhaps "give" was not the right word. I'm sure you're quite aware that they take it. And maybe they shouldn't. I very much agree. But since they are, I rather prefer they do something with it to improve the situation of other Americans whose money they take, and not use it to our disadvantage or worse.
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01-05-2008, 10:02 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Take it? Isn't the tax code voluntary? (hahahahahahaha) This is why I am for tax cuts in any and every form (income taxes particularly), and I think they could be lowered IMMENSELY. Tax cuts historically raise tax revenues becuase of increased economic activity, but I don't really want the government to have more money. This means we could cut them a whole lot.
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