100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students...

Moonliner · 03-27-2006, 04:10 PM

I just thought that deserved it's own thread...

scaeagles · 03-27-2006, 04:18 PM

This whole thing irks me.

No one is saying that immigration should stop. This is how the protesters are making it sound. The issue is illegal immigration. I would not presume that all of the protesters were illegal, but they are marching in support of it.

I think they are making a big mistake, frankly. While most citizens of this country - born here or naturalized - oppose illegal immigration, with this issue coming to a head recently, the silent majority could get very spooked by this large demonstration and put even more pressure on the government to do something real about it.

So many things about this irk me that I can't begin to list them all. I haven't the time.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-27-2006, 04:22 PM

100,000? Lowest estimate I saw was 200,000. Seen as high as 500,000 (and that's from LAPD, which usually low-balls crowd estimates). Saturday night, driving through downtown around 7pm, we saw a large crowd on an overpass waiving flags and banners.

I don't like the bill that passed the house. It's simply ridiculous to expect doctors to turn patients away and clergy to turn away the hungry. Fortunately it seems the Senate is already chipping away at the more extreme provisions. It's unlikely it will pass in anything resembling its current form.

As for an overall solution, I like the sound of the bipartisan proposal coming from Ted Kennedy and a Republican who I can't recall at the moment. It involves a guest worker program, streamlined citizenship for new legal immigrants, and an 11 year process for current illegals to become legal.

Alex · 03-27-2006, 06:03 PM

I haven't really paid any attention to the specifics in the law bouncing around since I know it will change quite a bit before anything passes.

I'm very pro-legal immigration and strongly anti-illegal immigration. I believe that national quotas should be abolished and that the only limits on ability to enter the country and begin the process of citizenship is documentary evidence that the immigrant won't immediately be a burden on social safety nets (that is, they have to have a job waiting for them and a citizen sponsor). I think work visas should be widely available that would allow workers to legally enter, pay less taxes (but still some) and then go home when the visa is up.

I think enforcement has to be strict and unflinching. This creates touching stories of families caught in binds. But so what. Employers should also face severe penalties for hiring undocumented workers and this should be true in all industries (including agricultural and restaurantial). If this means that I pay 400% more for lettuce then so be it. If the government wants to keep lettuce cheap, exempt the industry from minimum wage laws and enforce legal employment rather than creating a black labor market.

I think that in any new structure it is a needed component that illegal residents currently in the country will find it more difficult to get on the legal track than for potential immigrants outside of the country. This will encourage them to either leave and return legally or be penalized for having broken the law in the first place.

I also find the phrase "seeking to criminalize illegal aliens" to be an incredibly stupid one. Also, I hate people who pronounce "illegal" as "e-legal." I'm pretty sure e-legal is a lawyer referral Web site. This linguistic intolerance is unusual for me since I don't care about "nukular" or "febuary" or "libary" but it makes me want to kick a reporter every time I hear "elegal." Even if it wasn't said by a reporter.

tracilicious · 03-28-2006, 07:28 AM

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Also, I hate people who pronounce "illegal" as "e-legal." I'm pretty sure e-legal is a lawyer referral Web site. This linguistic intolerance is unusual for me since I don't care about "nukular" or "febuary" or "libary" but it makes me want to kick a reporter every time I hear "elegal." Even if it wasn't said by a reporter.

If I hear someone say "nukular," "febuary," or "libary," I automatically assume they have the IQ of a small red onion and begin to speak more slowly to suit their needs. Elegal is just annoying to me. The others actually make me angry. Jagwire also grates on me.

My dad has his own special accent that includes, pitcher (for picture), ambliance (ambulance), antanna, waint (wait). I could go on. Annoys the living crap out of me if he uses a sentence that combines any two of those words.

SacTown Chronic · 03-28-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious

If I hear someone say "nukular," "febuary," or "libary," I automatically assume they have the IQ of a small red onion and begin to speak more slowly to suit their needs.

When my kids say "library" I correct them by loudly saying "libary". A lame little joke that cracks me up.

It's from the Simpsons episode where Homer had a crayon removed from his brain which resulted in him being smarter. Homer sez, "Lisa, want to go to the library tomorrow? You'll notice I didn't say "libary" or tomorrey."

Libary. Libary. LIBARY.

tracilicious · 03-28-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

When my kids say "library" I correct them by loudly saying "libary". A lame little joke that cracks me up.

It's from the Simpsons episode where Homer had a crayon removed from his brain which resulted in him being smarter. Homer sez, "Lisa, want to go to the library tomorrow? You'll notice I didn't say "libary" or tomorrey."

Libary. Libary. LIBARY.

I hope that you do it loudly inside the actual library. When visiting New York City as a small child, my dad found it hilarious to stick out his hand to passersby when a street wasn't very crowded and say loudly, "Hey! Can you spare some change? I've got SIX kids here!" My mom was, of course, mortified. I think that was his point. We younger kids thought it was the funniest thing ever and did the same thing for several days. My poor mom.

GC, I think your point about most of us coming as immigrants is a good one, but not so much here. I don't think anyone here wants to stop immigration. I wouldn't be here without illegal immigration. My grandfathers parents snuck across the Canadian border from Germany and paid a Dr. for a birth certificate for him (he was just a baby). So technically, he's not a citizen. He's been here for 86 years though, and collects social security, so I guess it's a moot point.

scaeagles · 03-28-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious

If I hear someone say "nukular," "febuary," or "libary," I automatically assume they have the IQ of a small red onion and begin to speak more slowly to suit their needs.

I am curious....would you think the same thing of Jesse Jackson when he says "ax" instead of "ask". To suggest something would make you a racist, you know.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but there are certain words that fall into regional dialect issues.

tracilicious · 03-28-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I am curious....would you think the same thing of Jesse Jackson when he says "ax" instead of "ask". To suggest something would make you a racist, you know.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but there are certain words that fall into regional dialect issues.

Yes, I meant it as more of a joke than it came across. Nukular is still inexcusable, though.

Kevy Baby · 03-28-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious

If I hear someone say "nukular," "febuary," or "libary," I automatically assume they have the IQ of a small red onion and begin to speak more slowly to suit their needs.

That's pretty harsh when just one word automatically sinks a person. I regularly say "Febuary" out of habit and laziness. I must be dumb as a post.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	This whole thing irks me. No one is saying that immigration should stop. This is how the protesters are making it sound. The issue is illegal immigration. I would not presume that all of the protesters were illegal, but they are marching in support of it. I think they are making a big mistake, frankly. While most citizens of this country - born here or naturalized - oppose illegal immigration, with this issue coming to a head recently, the silent majority could get very spooked by this large demonstration and put even more pressure on the government to do something real about it. So many things about this irk me that I can't begin to list them all. I haven't the time.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	100,000? Lowest estimate I saw was 200,000. Seen as high as 500,000 (and that's from LAPD, which usually low-balls crowd estimates). Saturday night, driving through downtown around 7pm, we saw a large crowd on an overpass waiving flags and banners. I don't like the bill that passed the house. It's simply ridiculous to expect doctors to turn patients away and clergy to turn away the hungry. Fortunately it seems the Senate is already chipping away at the more extreme provisions. It's unlikely it will pass in anything resembling its current form. As for an overall solution, I like the sound of the bipartisan proposal coming from Ted Kennedy and a Republican who I can't recall at the moment. It involves a guest worker program, streamlined citizenship for new legal immigrants, and an 11 year process for current illegals to become legal. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-27-2006, 06:03 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I haven't really paid any attention to the specifics in the law bouncing around since I know it will change quite a bit before anything passes. I'm very pro-legal immigration and strongly anti-illegal immigration. I believe that national quotas should be abolished and that the only limits on ability to enter the country and begin the process of citizenship is documentary evidence that the immigrant won't immediately be a burden on social safety nets (that is, they have to have a job waiting for them and a citizen sponsor). I think work visas should be widely available that would allow workers to legally enter, pay less taxes (but still some) and then go home when the visa is up. I think enforcement has to be strict and unflinching. This creates touching stories of families caught in binds. But so what. Employers should also face severe penalties for hiring undocumented workers and this should be true in all industries (including agricultural and restaurantial). If this means that I pay 400% more for lettuce then so be it. If the government wants to keep lettuce cheap, exempt the industry from minimum wage laws and enforce legal employment rather than creating a black labor market. I think that in any new structure it is a needed component that illegal residents currently in the country will find it more difficult to get on the legal track than for potential immigrants outside of the country. This will encourage them to either leave and return legally or be penalized for having broken the law in the first place. I also find the phrase "seeking to criminalize illegal aliens" to be an incredibly stupid one. Also, I hate people who pronounce "illegal" as "e-legal." I'm pretty sure e-legal is a lawyer referral Web site. This linguistic intolerance is unusual for me since I don't care about "nukular" or "febuary" or "libary" but it makes me want to kick a reporter every time I hear "elegal." Even if it wasn't said by a reporter.
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