Katrina Response Mismanagement

[scaeagles]

And I don't care what the world thinks about us. Even our closest allies have nothing close to our Constitution. No gaurantee of free speech, right to bear arms, free expression of religion, etc, etc, etc.

I don't care what a bunch of third world dictators think of the US, either.

I don't care what Communist regimes like China or North Korea think of the US, either.

I don't care what.....well, you get the idea.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Hey, like I said, impeachment is a great idea for a new thread.

scaeagles, I was banging my head against the car window through the entire speech. About 45 seconds of, "Things didn't go the way they should have," followed by a half dozen anectotes of, "The Triumph of Humanity." I would have liked for him to address the days and days of lack of leadership, lack of communication, lack of compassion, and lack of accountability. Instead, we got, "Here's a truckload of money. Workin' hard is gonna be hard work."

My partner and I have been seriously considering moving our business to New Orleans as soon as they are ready to have people back. Eventually, we expect to be able to provide 30-50 jobs, and my product really does seem like it ought to have come from there.

Could the sh!t-stirrers please start another thread or go away? 3 pages of tit-for tat, and "Don't blame my guy, your guy fecked up first," is tiresome. The entire system failed! No-bid contracts have been handed out to the president's allies and cronies. People died because the "right forms" weren't filled out, the "right requests" weren't made, and those who were "rescued" weren't cared for.

Please don't bring up the "busses under water," again, without posting links to a timeline of how those busses were used that day, where the drivers were, your suggestions, based on your knowledge of New Orleans roads and parking facilities, for a better place to park them, how long, exactly, do municipal employees work into a level 5 hurricane before they, themselves, evacuate, and a realistic evaluation of the consequences of recruiting the evacuees to drive the busses (which direction? what routes are clear? where do they stop for gas? how do you care for the elderly and injured? how do you handle the assholes with guns, who, no doubt, would have hijacked the busses?)

Hey, thanks.

[PanTheMan]

you still didnt address the main point....

It seems all some can do are re-state GOP talking points. No one, when the Sheet hits the fan, cares what France thinks.

Just as on the NOLA disaster the White House will repeat, over and over and over and over again, it doesn't want to "Play the Blame Game" as it hypocritically backdoors BLAME all across the board.

Had the Mayor of NOLA grabbed people off the streets to drive those Buses, I'm sure the GOP would be screaming the Mayor hired a bunch of Crack-heads to evacuate the city. (There also was No Gas to put in the busses)

But Lets Not Play the Blame Game. Did I mention the Blame game? The one we shouldn't play?.... etc....

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

Had the Mayor of NOLA grabbed people off the streets to drive those Buses, I'm sure the GOP would be screaming the Mayor hired a bunch of Crack-heads to evacuate the city.

With apologies to Gn2Dlnd.....

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

[Nephythys]

ya know what's funny- the way people like to piegon hole others-

I'm conservative about many things- but very central on others......
I think Bush is better than Kerry ever would have been- so far there has not been a democrat I could vote for- would I if they would do the things I want done- in a heartbeat.
Just the other day my mom, who is even more conservative than I- said that sometimes she can't stand Bush- she thinks he can be such a wimp. We are both very unhappy about many many things he has done- or not done!
But what I have no patience for is the drivel passed off as leftist rhetoric- as if somehow that is supposed to batter us into going whole hog for your idealogy- it won't happen. Clinton was not impeached for a BJ, and I don't appreciate having my intelligence insulted by the claim otherwise-

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

With apologies to Gn2Dlnd.....

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

Appearances and actions mean so much. Had GW been in a helicopter, flown reasonably low enough around the city long enough to actually get a decent look, and, immediately upon landing, made a statement regarding what was being done right now, he wouldn't be seen as uncaring or inactive. Sides shouldn't enter into it, he's the President, he should act like it.

[PanTheMan]

I am odd in that I have views from Conservative to liberal and everywhere in between.
I have NEVER voted for Barbara Boxer, even when i know little about who is against her, they still get my vote.

I think 95% of America is In the Middle. And I think those out on the fringe who scream and kick like spoiled childern get all the Press.

Bush has shown on several occasions he does well when he has a few days to reherse what he has been told to say. Great Leader? No.

Kerry would have been the same. Giving the speeches that were written for him. Gore would have been better, as he would put us to sleep with his speeches, and while asleep we wouldn't care....lol. But under Gore, we would NOT be in IRAQ, and we would still have FEMA seperate and under qualified leadership. Who Knows, might even have Bin Laden in prison.

But I will tell you all a Little Secret. That it is WE THE PEOPLE who are in charge. WE THE PEOPLE cannot be governed without our consent to be governed. WE THE PEOPLE need to rise up and stop being SHEEP to an Idiot or Idiots who have THEIR best intrests taken care of, but not OURS. WE THE PEOPLE can change things, but as long as we fight eachother and not them, THEY will continue on, left and right, and WE THE PEOPLE will continue to bicker and whine.

[Nephythys]

Gore??

wow- that made me laugh out loud- thanks!

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

And if they did it perfectly, the other side would call it a carefully orchestrated photo op, or something along those lines.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

Appearances and actions mean so much. Had GW been in a helicopter, flown reasonably low enough around the city long enough to actually get a decent look, and, immediately upon landing, made a statement regarding what was being done right now, he wouldn't be seen as uncaring or inactive. Sides shouldn't enter into it, he's the President, he should act like it.

Fair enough - but I have no doubt that should he have done that, with the necessary security entourage, etc, the criticism would be that he was in the way only to get a political photo op, much as it was when he was at ground zero post 9/11 clearing away debris and hugging and talking to the workers there.

No win situation no matter what he does. I believe you are sincere in your criticism. I have no doubt many leaders in the democratic party are not sincere, and are themselves only trying to score political points in their criticism of it. It is incredibly easy to find fault and present a different course of action as the better one, and use whatever that may be as an argument to support a position critical of your political opponent.