A Prop 8 challenge for swankers - Page 27

Morrigoon · 11-02-2008, 03:09 AM

Haha... another ad by the people GC linked earlier.

Seem familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cILkvO-tSw

Cadaverous Pallor · 11-02-2008, 02:04 PM

This one isn't as good but she said "yoinking"!

Gemini Cricket · 11-02-2008, 02:30 PM

Spreading the word about the Yes on 8 fliers out there that imply that Obama supports the Yes on 8 campaign. Obama has stated that he is opposed to Prop 8.

Spread the word.

Quote:

Many of you know that the “Yes” campaign recently mailed a full-page, full-color, two-sided flier aimed at the African American voter.

The first side has a HUGE picture of Obama, with a large caption saying Obama is against same-sex marriage – they fail to explain that Obama is against Prop 8 however. The second side contains several endorsements from African American religious and political leaders.

The statewide campaign cannot generate an in-kind (e.g. snail mail) response. Their plan is to run a TV spot and pass out palm cards at the polls to rebut the “Yes” flier. This is great, but we can do more.

Attached is a two-sided newsletter which details Obama’s as well as other politicians’ stance on Prop 8 (an unequivocal NO), includes endorsements from African American religious leaders, the Latino community, and an explanation of what the Bible really says about same-sex marriage (nothing).

Please do two things:

(1) Print out this flier, make copies, and distribute ASAP before election day. I plan to walk my entire neighborhood and leave one at every house. Remember, this is a targeted piece for the African American and Latino Christian demographics. So if you received the Yes flier described above, you neighbors are probably good targets for the No newsletter as well. If not, think about where you can reach out and distribute to the appropriate demographic. (We have limited time left, so let’s make sure we hit the right audience).

(2) Forward this e-mail (with attachment) to your CA friends and ask them to do the same!

Thank you, thank you, thank you all for your continued hard work!

We can win. And together we will!

Will
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In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence
of our friends. - - * Martin Luther King, Jr.

Please support equality and the right to marry.
Vote no on Prop 8.
www.lovehonorcherish.org

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Will Proctor
2121 Maine Avenue
Long Beach, CA90806

(213) 840-0330 (c)
(562) 218-3333 (h)
(562) 218-6666 (f)

wproctor@alumni.law.upenn.edu
wproctor@alumni.cmu.edu

Strangler Lewis · 11-02-2008, 04:24 PM

GC, maybe this is expedient, but it's BS. Obama says he's opposed to gay marriage. Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act. The Bible says nothing about same sex marriage because it says that homosexuality is an abomination. Who is this ad supposed to appeal to/trick?

Cadaverous Pallor · 11-02-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

GC, maybe this is expedient, but it's BS. Obama says he's opposed to gay marriage. Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act. The Bible says nothing about same sex marriage because it says that homosexuality is an abomination. Who is this ad supposed to appeal to/trick?

Obama officially opposes prop 8.

We got a recorded call from Bill Clinton urging us to vote no on prop 8.

There's no trick involved. Yes, they both have a less than helpful history on the issue, but they both officially oppose the prop.

Chernabog · 11-02-2008, 04:35 PM

It is supposed to be a response to the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign, these statements aren't coming out of the blue. When someone says that Obama supports prop 8 when Obama does not, that is a lie. When someone says that gay marriage is talked about in the bible, when it is not, that is a lie.

I've read blogs and chatted with many people who don't believe in gay marriage but are voting no on 8 because they don't believe that their view of marriage should control everyone's, or that something discriminatory should be written into the CA Constitution, or that gay people getting married (even though they don't see it as a religious/"real" marriage) doesn't affect their own religious/"real" marriage. Saying you don't believe in gay marriage and a "yes" vote are not inextricably linked. Obama, Clinton, Biden, Schwartzenegger (who vetoed a bill which would legalize gay marriage, the bastard), etc. can believe that a "no" vote is the proper vote.

So nobody's being "tricked" here.

Strangler Lewis · 11-02-2008, 06:25 PM

Clinton called me, too, and I hung up on him. When he signed the Defense of Marriage Act, I wrote him a critical letter. His fence sitting response was that he did not support discrimination against gay people. However, he said, the bill came before him and he signed it. Then, crickets. No attempt to reconcile the two responses. His support now is hypocritical garbage given that, even if 8 loses, the federal government does not have to recognize California's same sex marriages.

As for Obama, I submit that when someone is asked if they support gay marriage, the question is do they support gays being allowed to enter into state-recognized marriage. If someone says "No, I don't support gay marriage," that means they do not support gays being allowed to enter into state-recognized marriage. One can, perhaps, answer "I don't care what the state does, but I would object to my church performing such ceremonies," but, to my knowledge, Obama did not offer that refinement. If he's offering it now, it's inconsistent with what he said before.

I also don't see it as a terrible distortion to say that the Bible is against same sex marriage when it's against same sex sex. The No on 8 approach should not be about Bible study pilpul.

innerSpaceman · 11-02-2008, 06:48 PM

Really, it's complete Bullsh!t that Obama's against Prop 8. He doesn't support Gay Marriage, i.e., he supports Prop 8. Less talking out of both side of his mouth might make me less disposed to not vote for him Tuesday.

scaeagles · 11-03-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Really, it's complete Bullsh!t that Obama's against Prop 8. He doesn't support Gay Marriage, i.e., he supports Prop 8. Less talking out of both side of his mouth might make me less disposed to not vote for him Tuesday.

One of the big things that has turned me off to McCain is his illegal immigration crap.....he plays both sides of that issue in completely non spinable ways.

innerSpaceman · 11-03-2008, 08:56 AM

I'm not saying McCain's better on the issue. I'm saying nothing turns me off about a politician much more than taking BOTH sides of an issue via cowardice or expediency.

I understand Obama thinks he can't get elected if he supports gay marriage. But coming out against Prop 8 IS supporting existing gay marriage rights. He can't have it both ways ... at least not with me. Ugh, he's not president-elect till tomorrow and already the lies start.

11-02-2008, 03:09 AM	#1
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Haha... another ad by the people GC linked earlier. Seem familiar? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cILkvO-tSw __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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11-02-2008, 02:04 PM	#2
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	This one isn't as good but she said "yoinking"! __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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11-02-2008, 04:24 PM	#4
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	GC, maybe this is expedient, but it's BS. Obama says he's opposed to gay marriage. Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act. The Bible says nothing about same sex marriage because it says that homosexuality is an abomination. Who is this ad supposed to appeal to/trick? __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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11-02-2008, 04:35 PM	#6
Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	It is supposed to be a response to the lies of the Yes on 8 campaign, these statements aren't coming out of the blue. When someone says that Obama supports prop 8 when Obama does not, that is a lie. When someone says that gay marriage is talked about in the bible, when it is not, that is a lie. I've read blogs and chatted with many people who don't believe in gay marriage but are voting no on 8 because they don't believe that their view of marriage should control everyone's, or that something discriminatory should be written into the CA Constitution, or that gay people getting married (even though they don't see it as a religious/"real" marriage) doesn't affect their own religious/"real" marriage. Saying you don't believe in gay marriage and a "yes" vote are not inextricably linked. Obama, Clinton, Biden, Schwartzenegger (who vetoed a bill which would legalize gay marriage, the bastard), etc. can believe that a "no" vote is the proper vote. So nobody's being "tricked" here. __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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11-02-2008, 06:25 PM	#7
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Clinton called me, too, and I hung up on him. When he signed the Defense of Marriage Act, I wrote him a critical letter. His fence sitting response was that he did not support discrimination against gay people. However, he said, the bill came before him and he signed it. Then, crickets. No attempt to reconcile the two responses. His support now is hypocritical garbage given that, even if 8 loses, the federal government does not have to recognize California's same sex marriages. As for Obama, I submit that when someone is asked if they support gay marriage, the question is do they support gays being allowed to enter into state-recognized marriage. If someone says "No, I don't support gay marriage," that means they do not support gays being allowed to enter into state-recognized marriage. One can, perhaps, answer "I don't care what the state does, but I would object to my church performing such ceremonies," but, to my knowledge, Obama did not offer that refinement. If he's offering it now, it's inconsistent with what he said before. I also don't see it as a terrible distortion to say that the Bible is against same sex marriage when it's against same sex sex. The No on 8 approach should not be about Bible study pilpul. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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11-02-2008, 06:48 PM	#8
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Really, it's complete Bullsh!t that Obama's against Prop 8. He doesn't support Gay Marriage, i.e., he supports Prop 8. Less talking out of both side of his mouth might make me less disposed to not vote for him Tuesday.
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11-03-2008, 08:56 AM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I'm not saying McCain's better on the issue. I'm saying nothing turns me off about a politician much more than taking BOTH sides of an issue via cowardice or expediency. I understand Obama thinks he can't get elected if he supports gay marriage. But coming out against Prop 8 IS supporting existing gay marriage rights. He can't have it both ways ... at least not with me. Ugh, he's not president-elect till tomorrow and already the lies start.
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