The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Core Republicans froth at the thought that McCain, as president, might actually cooperate with Democrats to get things done.

Hmm....I find that to be funny, considering Bush's early work on education had bills written by Ted Kennedy, and then those bills were later heavily criticized by dems.

I don't particulary see many dems wanting to work with republicans.

[JWBear]

Now that Richardson is out of the picture, my vote (in the primary) is going for Obama. I do not like Hillary, and I never have. To me, she's just another politician who stands for nothing but her own ego and thirst for power. And, she has a personality you can grate cheese with. No thanks!

If it came down to a race between her and McCain, I’d vote for McCain.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Now that Richardson is out of the picture, my vote (in the primary) is going for Obama. I do not like Hillary, and I never have. To me, she's just another politician who stands for nothing but her own ego and thirst for power. And, she has a personality you can grate cheese with. No thanks!

I almost agree with that. Almost. I do think she truly believes in one or two things. I do think she honestly, for instance, believes in her vision for change in health care. What bothers me is that she is willing to say anything, do anything, step on anyone, compromise any other stance if it means getting closer to those one or two narrow things she does believe in.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Meanwhile, Republicans better get off their high horse about supporting John McCain. Otherwise, he's going to have a hard time winning states that don't allow Dems and Independents to vote in GOP primaries. That's where lots of his support currently is. But that's precisely why he's the MOST ELECTIBLE REPUBLICAN ... sheesh. Get a Clue.

The thing is....he's not all that electable. He does nothing to inspire the Republican base and you know as well as I that once it comes down to just one Dem and one Rep candidate his "support" from the left will evaporate and all sorts of "new" evils will be "discovered" by the same media that acts like they love him now.

Core Republicans froth at the thought that McCain, as president, might actually cooperate with Democrats to get things done.

What so many non-conservatives don't get is that we don't want things to get done....every time a law is passed the shine of freedom is scuffed up a bit. Gridlock is our friend

He's done so in the past. He also has a very consistently conservative voting record, which Republicans tend to overlook. But it's precisely because they can't stand to consider compromise that they might be willing to forego supporting the ONLY Republican that can win a presidential election in the current electoral climate.

The thing is he also has a knack for compromising with the Dems on things that are fundamentally against our beliefs....and since it is most likely the next congress will be in the control of the Dems the only things that will get "done" are things that he tends to agree with them on......so basically all of the Dem issues will get attention while the Conservative needs go by the way side.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

...every time a law is passed the shine of freedom is scuffed up a bit....

You must be referring to the Patriot Act...

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

...so basically all of the Dem issues will get attention while the Conservative needs go by the way side.

Just like during the first four years of the Bush administration, when conservative issues were pushed through while democratic needs were ignored....

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by JWBear

You must be referring to the Patriot Act...



Just like during the first four years of the Bush administration, when conservative issues were pushed through while democratic needs were ignored....

1) Among others.

2) Well, if you think Campaign Finance Reform, Prescription drugs and NCLB were conservative issues...I don't. But that's not the point. Bush was put in office by Republicans and we had a Republican Congress....one would expect mostly conservative issues to be pushed forward. But if McCain were President with a Dem Congress the only things to see the light of day will be those the Dems and McCain agreee on......so even though McCain has many conservative views they will not go anywhere.

If McCain wins the Whitehouse Republicans will have at least 8 years of liberal policies winning out.

If Obama or Clinton wins there is a chance that they could be defeated after 4 years.

Not that I am considering a vote for the eventual dem nominee....but if McCain is our nominee I might just forget to mail in my ballot come November....I am sure I am not alone in that feeling either. McCain can't win in November.

[Alex]

I'll vote for Obama over pretty much any other person running (even though I disagree with him on almost every political issue I think he could be good for the country; or he could end up being horrible but I'm interested in giving him a shot).

Hillary is disqualified for reasons given above but if it ended up being a choice between her and McCain or her and Huckabee I'd have to seriously reconsider that disqualification. I don't know why but the way many people react viscerally (and badly) to Hillary Clinton is how I respond to McCain.

Plus, I think he is too old for the job. No, that's no more fair to him than it is fair that I disqualify Clinton simply because she is married to a former president. But when I consider presidents I assume 8 year terms and McCain will be almost 3 years older than Reagan when he took office and look how that worked out by the end of his terms.

Not fair, but not a risk I'm inclined to take, especially when I already don't like the man.

[Alex]

I doubt Edwards would be picked for Veep but probably offered cabinet level for his delegates. I wouldn't mind seeing Richardson as VP and he seems to be angling for it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

One thing's for sure, after the last couple of weeks the idea of a Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket is right out.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

One thing's for sure, after the last couple of weeks the idea of a Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket is right out.

That's for sure. Look for Ford, Clark, Warner or Richardson to be the eventual VP nominee.

On the Republican side Thompson, Hunter, Rice, Steele, or Huckabee seem the most likely to me.