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Old 06-25-2005, 09:11 PM   #21
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The government is NOT listening. Meanwhile, big business just got the go ahead to use 'eminent domain' to take anyones property away from them, if a city or township deems it economically advantageous.
Interesting that you would bring this up.

Every Conservative on the Supreme Court voted against this kicking freedom in the teeth of an idea.....it was those (ahem) liberal "activist" judges who saw fit to take rights away from the individual in favor of the so called greater good.

******O'Connor was joined in her dissent by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas********

Wendybeth, are you sure you are a liberal? Less then a month ago you were quoting FOX and now you are siding with the likes of Thomas and Scalia /
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:07 PM   #22
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Sorry, Jeff, but one must do their homework first...


First, I listed the eminent domain decision as a negative strike against our Constitutional rights, but I don't recall saying it was only conservatives that voted for it. The majority opinion was made by two Dems, two Repubs and a conservative independent. So, both sides suck equally in this decision. My point is that the erosion of rights is happening, and people are starting to wake up.

As far as Fox, I make a point of using conservative outlets whenever possible when arguing with conservatives. I like to hoist them by their own petard.
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Old 06-26-2005, 12:30 AM   #23
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Sorry, Jeff, but one must do their homework first...


First, I listed the eminent domain decision as a negative strike against our Constitutional rights, but I don't recall saying it was only conservatives that voted for it. The majority opinion was made by two Dems, two Repubs and a conservative independent. So, both sides suck equally in this decision. My point is that the erosion of rights is happening, and people are starting to wake up.
The four who voted against it are also considered by most to be the 4 MOST Conservative members of the court.....this was NOT a politicaly mixed opinion in any way......the so called two Repubs were appointed by Repubs but have never been considered Conservative(and their voting records support that)

To put it another way.........Ginsburg and her cohorts voted to take away our rights and Scalia and co. voted to protect our rights.

......Sorry, but both sides don't suck equally in this decision......clearly one side was trying to protect our rights and one side was trying step on them.
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both sides may not suck in this decision, but both sides still suck in general.
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Old 06-26-2005, 09:14 AM   #25
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I think that one can be a liberal or a conservative and not side with their respective parties on occasion. For instance, my Republican family (and my Alex P. Keaton brother) all voted for Kerry, having been disenchanted with W's decisions.

And I can be angry at Ginsberg et al because I think they're missing the boat.

Divert from your party line when you think they're the ones diverting from it.
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Well said, LS. I am not blindly Democrat- I take things issue by issue, and vote accordingly. Which is another reason I read FoxNews and sources other than CNN and MSNBC. It's interesting to see the spin that gets put on a story, depending on the site. (I don't like the liberal spin any more than the conservative- it would be nice to just get the damn story straight up).

Which brings us back on topic to Mr. Rove. I think he's growing more arrogant with each passing day, and very soon he will cross a line that will make even the White House uncomfortable.
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Well said, LS. I am not blindly Democrat- I take things issue by issue, and vote accordingly. Which is another reason I read FoxNews and sources other than CNN and MSNBC. It's interesting to see the spin that gets put on a story, depending on the site. (I don't like the liberal spin any more than the conservative- it would be nice to just get the damn story straight up).
Fair enough and very respectable. I too "stray" away from my party from time to time(more often lately since they seem to be leaning away from the wisdom of Newt and Reagan)

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Which brings us back on topic to Mr. Rove.
Well, darn. I Almost derailed this thing away from Rove(looking around for something shinnier)
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Which brings us back on topic to Mr. Rove. I think he's growing more arrogant with each passing day, and very soon he will cross a line that will make even the White House uncomfortable.
I wish I shared your optimism. I agree that he is becoming more arrogant but I think it is with the full blessing of the White House. I would like to believe that there is an ethical line that they would rather not cross, but I doubt it. I think they all share in said arrogance.
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