Are you racist? - Page 3

Prudence · 02-15-2006, 02:58 PM

Perhaps with racisim there's an element of retaining the initial classification despite evidence to the contrary?

Alex · 02-15-2006, 03:20 PM

Not that I'm aware of, but then I've spent most of my life in intensely integrated environments (much of the time with whites being a minority). While there are certainly trends that are of worth to note I've spent too much time with the actual people to get too caught up on expecting individuals to match the group average.

Of course, who am I know to? Mostly I'm just opposed to prideful ignorance and that has no racial correlation that I'm aware of.

LSPoorEeyorick · 02-15-2006, 08:31 PM

I come from racist stock-- from farmers, in Michigan. I made it a life goal to get my mother to stop saying "jew him down" the way that she made it her life goal to get her mother to stop saying "n gger." She and I were both successful... and boy am I glad, because racial slurs make my skin crawl.

That said, I'm sure there are ways that I am racist. I have never been particularly into the hip-hop culture in terms of music, or fashion. Is that racist? Or is that preferencial? Are the two mutually exclusive?

I'm the minority on the metro, but it doesn't stop me from smiling at the other people or talking to them. But if someone is loud or aggressive or rude, it doesn't matter if they're white or black or purple polka-dotted, I'm going to shy away.

When it comes to alternative action, I really think our time and energy and money ought to be concentrated on where the problem starts. Why aren't we putting more money into the poorest school districts? If they grow up and remain in the same district, chances are they won't have a lot of money to fund those districts, and if they do they'll probably be moving out of them. You can't help these things retroactively nearly as much as you could have pre-emptively.

scaeagles · 02-15-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

Why aren't we putting more money into the poorest school districts? If they grow up and remain in the same district, chances are they won't have a lot of money to fund those districts, and if they do they'll probably be moving out of them. You can't help these things retroactively nearly as much as you could have pre-emptively.

While a bit off topic, increase in money does not equate to a better education.

LSPoorEeyorick · 02-15-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

While a bit off topic, increase in money does not equate to a better education.

Yes, that's true. But it's very difficult to establish a better education without that money.

Think of the sad state of textbooks and materials in a poorly-funded school district. And if you don't have enough teachers per student (or qualified enough ones) the quality of education is going to suffer.

(also, if you read the sentence before the one you quoted, I also referred to requiring time and energy to help improve those school districts.)

scaeagles · 02-16-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

(also, if you read the sentence before the one you quoted, I also referred to requiring time and energy to help improve those school districts.)

Understood, and I wasn't meaning to take you out of context.

Gemini Cricket · 02-16-2006, 07:53 AM

So...

French people stink.
Southern Americans are uneducated.
Black people are violent.
White people are out of touch.
Mexican people steal.
Germans are Nazis.
Americans are oppressive.
Polish people are stupid.
Italians are mafia members.
Scottish people are tight with money.
Chinese people are cheap.
Japanese people are electronics wizards.
Koreans are the stepchildren of Asia.
Native Americans are alcoholics.
Hawaiians are lazy.
Portuguese people are dumb.
Samoans are thugs.
The British are superior to everyone else.
Finnish people live in their saunas.
Russians are Communists.
Anyone from the Middle East is a terrorist.

Did I miss any?

Edited to add: I'm several of the above.

Prudence · 02-16-2006, 08:55 AM

What about the drunken Irish?

Gemini Cricket · 02-16-2006, 09:03 AM

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What about the drunken Irish?

Yep, forgot them.

innerSpaceman · 02-16-2006, 11:11 AM

But Alex can himself be confused about what's a race and what's something else. He has said he sees Jews as a religious group, whereas it's primarily a race. I have no religion, and yet I am certainly a jew. It's my DNA, not my spiritual beliefs, which determine that.

How can we separate race from nationality from religion when we can't even agree on which is which?

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LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	I come from racist stock-- from farmers, in Michigan. I made it a life goal to get my mother to stop saying "jew him down" the way that she made it her life goal to get her mother to stop saying "n gger." She and I were both successful... and boy am I glad, because racial slurs make my skin crawl. That said, I'm sure there are ways that I am racist. I have never been particularly into the hip-hop culture in terms of music, or fashion. Is that racist? Or is that preferencial? Are the two mutually exclusive? I'm the minority on the metro, but it doesn't stop me from smiling at the other people or talking to them. But if someone is loud or aggressive or rude, it doesn't matter if they're white or black or purple polka-dotted, I'm going to shy away. When it comes to alternative action, I really think our time and energy and money ought to be concentrated on where the problem starts. Why aren't we putting more money into the poorest school districts? If they grow up and remain in the same district, chances are they won't have a lot of money to fund those districts, and if they do they'll probably be moving out of them. You can't help these things retroactively nearly as much as you could have pre-emptively.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	So... French people stink. Southern Americans are uneducated. Black people are violent. White people are out of touch. Mexican people steal. Germans are Nazis. Americans are oppressive. Polish people are stupid. Italians are mafia members. Scottish people are tight with money. Chinese people are cheap. Japanese people are electronics wizards. Koreans are the stepchildren of Asia. Native Americans are alcoholics. Hawaiians are lazy. Portuguese people are dumb. Samoans are thugs. The British are superior to everyone else. Finnish people live in their saunas. Russians are Communists. Anyone from the Middle East is a terrorist. Did I miss any? Edited to add: I'm several of the above. Last edited by Gemini Cricket : 02-16-2006 at 07:59 AM.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	But Alex can himself be confused about what's a race and what's something else. He has said he sees Jews as a religious group, whereas it's primarily a race. I have no religion, and yet I am certainly a jew. It's my DNA, not my spiritual beliefs, which determine that. How can we separate race from nationality from religion when we can't even agree on which is which?
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