100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students...

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

If I hear someone say "nukular," "febuary," or "libary," I automatically assume they have the IQ of a small red onion and begin to speak more slowly to suit their needs.

That's pretty harsh when just one word automatically sinks a person. I regularly say "Febuary" out of habit and laziness. I must be dumb as a post.

[Kevy Baby]

There are two separate issues being confused a bit here: immigration and border security. Yes, they are related, but they are different issues.

That the two shipments of material were brought in (as MBC posted) shows a strong lack of border security. That, to me, is a much larger problem than the illegal immigration issue.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I guess the anger thread is a good place for you today, GC.

Yup.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So, you are critical of Bush for not doing more to secure the borders - and I'm with you 100% on that - but in the same breath you are basically saying it is not right to control the borders to stop the flow of illegals coming across.

Securing the borders is his mantra. I'm saying it can't be done, not in the way he wants to. Talk about land... there's a lot of it. And if security is on his mind, shouldn't the fact that the hijackers came in through Canada be on his mind also? Unless I heard it wrong, that's where they came from. So why focus on the southern border?

Originally Posted by scaeagles

You are falling for what the organizers of the protests want you to fall for, which is to confuse legal with illegal immigration.

Yeah, me and 250,000 protesters fell for it. I'm glad to see any kind of protest anywhere in this country of that magnitude. I'm also glad to see it in the mainstream media, usually you don't see protests on Fox 'News'.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Yeah, me and 250,000 protesters fell for it.

There was a student speaking at a protest here in Phoenix. What he said was picked up on the news. He said - and this is an exact quote -

"I am here legally. My family is here legally. And they want to take it all away from us."

The crowd cheered him.

Actually, no one wants to take anything away from anyone who is here legally. Yes, GC, there is a HUGE percentage of protesters who don't even know what they are protesting.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

There are two separate issues being confused a bit here: immigration and border security. Yes, they are related, but they are different issues.

I believe they are inseparable. If you cannot control who is coming into the country, you have no border security.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Yes, GC, there is a HUGE percentage of protesters who don't even know what they are protesting.

So let's dismiss all of their concerns. Let's interview each one and put them in credible and not credible stacks. People do not assemble in this country in those numbers for nothing. If they're not getting the message that they will not be impacted by this law, then isn't it possible that the message ain't all that clear?

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I am curious....would you think the same thing of Jesse Jackson when he says "ax" instead of "ask". To suggest something would make you a racist, you know.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but there are certain words that fall into regional dialect issues.

Yes, I meant it as more of a joke than it came across. Nukular is still inexcusable, though.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Yes, I meant it as more of a joke than it came across. Nukular is still inexcusable, though.

OK....cool.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

That's pretty harsh when just one word automatically sinks a person. I regularly say "Febuary" out of habit and laziness. I must be dumb as a post.

For someone that makes so many off color and off the wall jokes, you get offended pretty easily. As I said in my prevous post (sorry for serial posting), I was joking. I do not automatically write someone off because they pronounce one word wrong. Heck, I'd have no family left if that were the case. My sister told me just the other day that she enjoyed conversating with me. I mocked her, of course, but she is pretty intelligent, as far as I can tell.

Your post made me think of something though. Is it supposed to be Feb-roo-ary? Because I've been saying Feb-ew-ary my entire life. When mocking it, I assumed we were talking about people that say Feb-oo-ary. I make no claims to having intelligence higher than a red onion, though.

Back to the real subject at hand, I agree with everyone here. I think Sceagles brings up a good point about fixing Mexico. I think that's where the long term solution lies. I am all for making legal immigration much easier and illegal immigration more difficult. The senate bill is ridiculous as it is.

I'm elated to see such a strong display of peaceful protest. There is something very powerful about what is possibly the weakest social group in America joining in such huge numbers to show that they have a voice and they aren't afraid to use it. If the same thing were to happen in Mexico perhaps something good would come of it.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

When my kids say "library" I correct them by loudly saying "libary". A lame little joke that cracks me up.

It's from the Simpsons episode where Homer had a crayon removed from his brain which resulted in him being smarter. Homer sez, "Lisa, want to go to the library tomorrow? You'll notice I didn't say "libary" or tomorrey."

Libary. Libary. LIBARY.

I hope that you do it loudly inside the actual library. When visiting New York City as a small child, my dad found it hilarious to stick out his hand to passersby when a street wasn't very crowded and say loudly, "Hey! Can you spare some change? I've got SIX kids here!" My mom was, of course, mortified. I think that was his point. We younger kids thought it was the funniest thing ever and did the same thing for several days. My poor mom.

GC, I think your point about most of us coming as immigrants is a good one, but not so much here. I don't think anyone here wants to stop immigration. I wouldn't be here without illegal immigration. My grandfathers parents snuck across the Canadian border from Germany and paid a Dr. for a birth certificate for him (he was just a baby). So technically, he's not a citizen. He's been here for 86 years though, and collects social security, so I guess it's a moot point.