The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 300

Ghoulish Delight · 05-03-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Well, it pains me to say it .. but just as his hundred years remark really wasn't saying the war or occupation would go on that long, his remark that we wouldn't fight future wars over oil was not really an admission that we are currently doing so.

"that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."

And I'm just not buying the, "Oh, I meant the FIRST Gulf War," CYA line. Who the hell, in 2008, would talk about war in the Middle East and figure that the default meaning, with no further qualification, means the war that ended 20 years ago and not the one that's ongoing and in the news every single minute of every single day. Does he really want us to believe he's that clueless?

scaeagles · 05-03-2008, 12:19 PM

Well, let's just say that is what he meant. Let's say for a moment (and I don't subscribe to this argument, but I'll play the game) that the current war is a war about oil.

As with Obama's comments on some issues that have been controversial, wouldn't this be an example of speaking the truth? Let's say Iraq went nuclear and used them on Iran and Saudi Arabia. The price of oil goes to, oh, about 1000/barrel destroying the world economy.

So, yeah, I think he's pulling a CYA like Obama has been pulling CYAs. I think he said what he meant and then realized he can't say it.

3894 · 05-05-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Let's say for a moment (and I don't subscribe to this argument, but I'll play the game) that the current war is a war about oil.

If the Iraq war is not about oil, then what is it about? Because a whole lot of Americans truly have no idea why we are there, if it's not about oil.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-03-2008, 12:38 PM

Agreed, thus my first post on the subject. Of course, it just reveals/confirms that he was and is in favor of war for oil, which I'm not, so even though I appreciate the accidental honesty, it doesn't much change what I think of his competency to lead the country.

scaeagles · 05-05-2008, 06:14 AM

My opinion on it has been stated over and over and over and over and over and over again, so restating it wouldn't be very productive.

3894 · 05-05-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

My opinion on it has been stated over and over and over and over and over and over again, so restating it wouldn't be very productive.

Okay, scaeagles. I'll do a search.

scaeagles · 05-05-2008, 06:17 AM

Have to slam on Hillary for a moment. She has called for an investigation on the rapid rise of gas prices. Wow, that truly demonstrates some hard hitting plans as President.

Sheesh. It isn't hard to figure out.

Middle East instability. Weak dollar. Increased demand for oil with no increase in production by OPEC. Decreased American oil production. Limited refining capacity.

And it seems like some sort of eerie omen that the horse Hillary picked at the Derby was euthanized on the track. Along those lines, PETA is outdoing itself, saying that the jockey on that horse should be suspended from racing. I am certain there is no one who feels more sick about this than the jockey. Certainly a sad thing for that beautiful animal to have to be put down, but there was absolutely no sign that the horse had any distress whatsoever until the finish line was crossed. I don't know much about horses, but I don't think a horse with two broken ankles is going to be able to continue running because the jockey smacked his butt.

Moonliner · 05-05-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

And it seems like some sort of eerie omen that the horse Hillary picked at the Derby was euthanized on the track. Along those lines, PETA is outdoing itself, saying that the jockey on that horse should be suspended from racing. I am certain there is no one who feels more sick about this than the jockey. Certainly a sad thing for that beautiful animal to have to be put down, but there was absolutely no sign that the horse had any distress whatsoever until the finish line was crossed. I don't know much about horses, but I don't think a horse with two broken ankles is going to be able to continue running because the jockey smacked his butt.

From what I read, they are calling for an investigation with possible suspension of the Jockey if wrongdoing on his part is found.

I believe their argument is that the Jockey should have been able to detect signs of stress in the animal and might have ignored them to finish the race.

scaeagles · 05-05-2008, 07:14 AM

More that scares me about Obama and Hillary....

When talking about the plan to eliminate the gas tax over the summer, Hillary says she doesn't care that economists think it's a bad idea because, well, she knows better than economists.

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Many economists oppose the plan and Clinton, during an interview on ABC's "This Week," demurred when asked to name one who supports it. "I'm not going to put my lot in with economists because I know if we did it right ... it would be implemented effectively," she said.

However, I like what she said about Iran.

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"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said April 22 in an interview with ABC. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

But Obama doesn't like that kind of talk, apparently, which to me goes toward how naive he is when it comes to foreign policy. What should we say to Iran? If you attack Israel we'll sit down and stalk with you about it?

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Obama said, "It's not the language we need right now, and I think it's language reflective of George Bush" akin to "bluster and saber rattling."

innerSpaceman · 05-05-2008, 08:04 AM

Talk is cheap. Saber rattling is just that. There are plenty of ways to communicate a serious threat that's not simply bluster, and that doesn't just serve to increase the level of aggression so that the threat becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

That takes a little more skill than saying you'd obliterate a nation of millions of people on national TV just to prove how "tough" you are.

05-03-2008, 12:19 PM	#2
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Well, let's just say that is what he meant. Let's say for a moment (and I don't subscribe to this argument, but I'll play the game) that the current war is a war about oil. As with Obama's comments on some issues that have been controversial, wouldn't this be an example of speaking the truth? Let's say Iraq went nuclear and used them on Iran and Saudi Arabia. The price of oil goes to, oh, about 1000/barrel destroying the world economy. So, yeah, I think he's pulling a CYA like Obama has been pulling CYAs. I think he said what he meant and then realized he can't say it.
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05-03-2008, 12:38 PM	#4
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Agreed, thus my first post on the subject. Of course, it just reveals/confirms that he was and is in favor of war for oil, which I'm not, so even though I appreciate the accidental honesty, it doesn't much change what I think of his competency to lead the country. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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05-05-2008, 06:14 AM	#5
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	My opinion on it has been stated over and over and over and over and over and over again, so restating it wouldn't be very productive.
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05-05-2008, 06:17 AM	#7
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Have to slam on Hillary for a moment. She has called for an investigation on the rapid rise of gas prices. Wow, that truly demonstrates some hard hitting plans as President. Sheesh. It isn't hard to figure out. Middle East instability. Weak dollar. Increased demand for oil with no increase in production by OPEC. Decreased American oil production. Limited refining capacity. And it seems like some sort of eerie omen that the horse Hillary picked at the Derby was euthanized on the track. Along those lines, PETA is outdoing itself, saying that the jockey on that horse should be suspended from racing. I am certain there is no one who feels more sick about this than the jockey. Certainly a sad thing for that beautiful animal to have to be put down, but there was absolutely no sign that the horse had any distress whatsoever until the finish line was crossed. I don't know much about horses, but I don't think a horse with two broken ankles is going to be able to continue running because the jockey smacked his butt.
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05-05-2008, 08:04 AM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Talk is cheap. Saber rattling is just that. There are plenty of ways to communicate a serious threat that's not simply bluster, and that doesn't just serve to increase the level of aggression so that the threat becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. That takes a little more skill than saying you'd obliterate a nation of millions of people on national TV just to prove how "tough" you are.
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