The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Really, if I were to post at a conservative leaning website I would probably be torn to shreds.

Don't make me yawn....those places are so boring......

[Alex]

All generalizations are inherently flawed at the level of the individual.

[scaeagles]

We all know most liberal leaning sites are non combative and accepting of conservative view-points.

And WB, I don't know how many times I have to say I was wrong to say that. This isn't about that vs. being called delusional. It's about generalizations made about liberals vs. conservatives.

[wendybeth]

Well, i can't help but wonder at all this discussion about the subject and your apparent reluctance to let it go. We do not allow personal attacks, but the grievances you have are in regard to the relatively normal verbiage that occurs during a discussion. I can't make it any clearer, and I am very certain that should I scour the threads you've posted on over the past three years I could find a fair amount of examples showing you engaging in the same sort of behavior that you are now calling into question. I am not willing to do so, in that I think enough time has been wasted on this subject; you appear to be looking for answers and are not happy with the ones provided- that is not my problem.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I am very certain that should I scour the threads you've posted on over the past three years I could find a fair amount of examples showing you engaging in the same sort of behavior that you are now calling into question.

Agreed. That's exactly my point. These things are said frequently by me and others. I am typically called on it, though, because I have a differing viewpoint from the norm. I really don't care if someone calls me delusional. Happens at work and home all the time, believe. My point is, and I will again say what I've said so many times, is that that seems to be OK when they are said about what is on the conservative side but not when it is said about something on the liberal side.

As one final example of such, I called Obama arrogant and elitist, and many people got on me for that. OK. Tracilicious called McCain an a$$hole, and I think I'm the only one to object. This is because regardless of the nature of the comment, McCain isn't popular here and Obama is. Even name calling is OK, it seems, if the majority here seems to agree with it.

And my point is made whether I agree with what you think or not WB. I will hereby let it go now, but will continue to call people on the same type of posts that I have been called on.

And to add, I don't regard this as a spat. I think this has been very rational and calm. Disagreement, sure, but there has been nothing spatty about it.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

This isn't about that vs. being called delusional. It's about generalizations made about liberals vs. conservatives.

If you're speaking about what I pointed out, my generalization wasn't about liberal vs conservative it was about inane vs intelligent.

[wendybeth]

Funny- I don't recall any actions being taken or anyone complaining about posts Scaeagles might have made that involved calling candidates or other public figures names. So, what's the problem? If you didn't have a problem understanding (and making amends for) going over the line and attacking a poster on a personal level, then what is this conversation about? Because there are more liberal posters? If I were to post at Limbaugh's site, would I be justified in complaining about all the vehemently conservative responses to my posts? I don't get it.




BTD- How long before MBC showed up demanding his toaster and ham be returned?

[Alex]

I still think you're wrong and I'm on the Leo's side on this one.

This board is just like every other one in the world. It pats itself on the back for being open minded while doing its best (unofficially through the social pressures) to make sure serious dissent is marginalized.

I have no doubt that if the parties in the arrogant and delusional incidents recently had been reversed, so would the general responses.


That's not unique, it is the way things work in pretty much any group of people. But I don't see any real value in denying it.

[Alex]

And I'm saying that I don't doubt you believe that; I just don't believe you're right.

And I don't believe I diluted anything Leo said. He called Helen arrogant (she is, but I like that). Tracilicious called Leo delusional. I think you're diluting what was said to Leo, and I think the source of that is that you tend to agree with what was said to Leo.

But the point is this: If I say, "all hair dressers in Spokane are whores" is that any less insulting because I didn't say "wendybeth is a whore?" No, it isn't. And saying "all Republicans who believe X, which Leo just said he believes, are delusional" is not any less personal because of rhetorical deflection. You just like the sentiment better.

But again, I'm not trying to argue that this is unusual, just the idea that Leo should pretend it isn't true and that his comments are unfounded.

[wendybeth]

I have no problem with that at all, Alex. I do see your point, but that way is anarchy, and up here in Spokane you have to have a permit for that.

(For those who didn't read about our July 4th anarchists protest- the city made them get a permit, which kind of detracted from their intended purpose).


We like Zenarchy around here- it's less harsh on the blood pressure.