RIP 2010

[tod]

Originally Posted by Alex

I assume that in certain circles the death of Robert Byrd will be gleefully taken as an opportunity for vengeance for how many people gleefully greeted Jesse Helms's death.

Nah, the people who would be happy about a Democratic Senator's death will be upset about the death of a former member of the KKK.

--t

[I Heart Disneyland!]

Originally Posted by tod

Nah, the people who would be happy about a Democratic Senator's death will be upset about the death of a former member of the KKK.

--t

Hey Tod! Nice to see you! Did you hear Clinton's speech talking about the KKK business?

[Chernabog]

With Helms it was easy to gravedance because he never made bones about turning around. He was evil and intolerant until the end.

It may have only been for political reasons, but Byrd did, in some small degree. He voted for the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, for instance. Granted, he also said a lot of hateful, ignorant, stupid stuff about minorities and gays too.

I think I'm trying to say that I don't recally Helms having much by way of mitigating factors. (It's hard to think before morning coffee... must make cup now)

[scaeagles]

I always doubted his true repentance. He was using the N word in interviews....how along ago? Maybe 5-6 years? I forget exactly how long ago. He also has said he primary reason for joining the KKK in 1943 was their anti-communist stance.....I find that unlikely because at that point the commies were our allies in WWII. Even though he said he lost interest in it a year or so later, he was in leadership, and still voted agains the 1964 civil rights act.

Definitely political motivations. I personally believe the man was a racist through and through and never could quite understand why he was held in such high regard.

[flippyshark]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I always doubted his true repentance. He was using the N word in interviews....how along ago? Maybe 5-6 years? I forget exactly how long ago. He also has said he primary reason for joining the KKK in 1943 was their anti-communist stance.....I find that unlikely because at that point the commies were our allies in WWII. Even though he said he lost interest in it a year or so later, he was in leadership, and still voted agains the 1964 civil rights act.

Definitely political motivations. I personally believe the man was a racist through and through and never could quite understand why he was held in such high regard.

There is no question that he was motivated by fear and racism back in the day, and I share your doubts about his motivations for joining up with the Klan. He recanted repeatedly, and honestly, it doesn't much matter whether he meant it or not. He got in it for bad reasons and said and wrote things that rightly plagued him the rest of his days. His more recent comments, as Alex mentioned, were apparently meant to raise consciousness, but they were clumsy and probably a bad idea. I have never met anyone who thought Byrd blameless and totally wonderful. His history has always caused deep misgivings for me.

If you are really wondering why he was held in high esteem, well, go and read something other than the Washington Post. Even his Wikipedia entry will make clear why. He doggedly championed his views, which were sometimes conservative and sometimes liberal, so lots of people can say he was right some of the time.

[Alex]

I have no reason to doubt Byrd's reversal on race issues (in the famous "******" quote he was to a fair extent making the same point Chris Rock used to in his act, just using language that won't fly from a senator). Plus the fact that it is difficult to change ingrained vocabulary, especially with words that were socially common until midlife. But if his reversal was calculating and true then I still don't really care if it can't be pointed out where his internal belief was allowed to have public impact.

My issue with Byrd is that it is insane that he was in office and if dying was the only way to resolve that, I'm ok with it. He could have had the good grace to wait a week though so the people of West Virginia wouldn't have to deal with what will be a huge amount of kerfuffle over the rules on how to replace him (his death is just six days short of a deadline after which the governor would just get to pick a replacement for the rest of his term).

[Alex]

However, his self appointed role as Windbag-in-Chief and bureaucratic scold was annoying. I reserve that position for me.

[CoasterMatt]

Paul Johnson (longtime NBC4 Morning Traffic Reporter)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Ilene Woods, voice of Cinderella.

I had the LP song-and-storybook for Cinderella growing up and her voice is forever with me. When I first tried on my wedding gown, the song that burst out was "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes". I sing "Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo" to Theo all the time. RIP to a very talented lady.

I suggest reading the article - some amazing tidbits in there!

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Ilene Woods, voice of Cinderella.

I had the LP song-and-storybook for Cinderella growing up and her voice is forever with me. When I first tried on my wedding gown, the song that burst out was "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes". I sing "Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo" to Theo all the time. RIP to a very talented lady.

I suggest reading the article - some amazing tidbits in there!