The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[wendybeth]

Reading what George Will had to say was really kind of heartening. I can't say that he usually has that effect on me. That was some roundtable discussion- I wonder how the McCain camp will react?

[tod]

Originally Posted by Alex

Watching This Week this morning it looked like George Will is just about ready to flip to Obama. Somehow I doubt it, but he said a fair number of nice things about how Obama handled the last week and had nothing but bad things to say about McCain.

Didn't Ronald Reagan refer to doctrinaire true believers who would rather go over the cliff with flags flying than compromise?

--t

[Alex]

It's probably right in front of me, but I'm not finding a transcript. Can you point me to it?

[wendybeth]

Here ya go, but it's actually a link to a video of the show with a summary in text:
This Week

[Alex]

I'm ok with the idea of "early" voting in terms of a span of a few days so that people can more easily fit it into their schedule.

But I think a six week voting window (early voting opened in several states today) is a horrible idea.

[Morrigoon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26794291/

A Tale of Two Sickbeds (US vs UK health care)

[3894]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26794291/

A Tale of Two Sickbeds (US vs UK health care)

I've had experiences that are very close to the UK experiences in the article.

The hospital couldn’t find an extra hospital bed, so I spent my first night hooked up to an IV on a gurney in the middle of a row of men and women, my sweaty skin sticking to the plastic. A shriveled woman in the bed to my right issued loud and largely unintelligible commands to nobody in particular. A steady flow of patients visited the bathroom right in front of my bed.

In 1999, two Northern California teaching hospitals were somehow merging. (I think they've de-merged since.) My dad was in the hospital. The above could have described what I saw. At the time, I called it Bombay Central Hospital because there were so many people jammed in.

But unlike the personal care I received in the U.S., in London, I felt like I was on a vast and often creaking conveyor belt, and there was a big risk of falling through the cracks.

Some day I'll tell you about what happened after I had a simple gall bladder removal in a Wisconsin hospital - how the only RN on night duty on the ward had no idea how to cath, how the surgeon couldn't be located the next day to sign me out of the hospital so I had to remain hooked up to an IV for hours while my hand swelled up painfully, how not one doctor checked on me after my surgery (not even the following day), how no one brought me food or medications I had been ordered, how I was denied access to a patient advocate, how I contracted bacterial pneumonia from my one-night stay.

Who needs England when we have it the same here?

[Alex]

Anecdotal evidence: Proof that everything sucks.

[scaeagles]

I never pay much mind to anecdotal experiences because it is so simple to find an example of whatever it is you want to demonstrate. I had such a vastly different experience than you, 3894, with a three year ordeal involving two major surgeries and a couple dozen other procedures.

Expensive, yes. Time waiting? Certainly. People are busy and doctors are booked. But I was never ignored or neglected and could not have been more thankful that I was in the US and was able to get the medical attention I needed.

[3894]

There's no arguing with conservatives...No, seriously, scientific studies prove it. Quick quote:

A new study out of Yale University confirms what argumentative liberals have long-known: Offering reality-based rebuttals to conservative lies only makes conservatives cling to those lies even harder.