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[innerSpaceman]

The reason the polls always tilt toward Obama even when, as happened last night, McCain does reasonably well ... is that more people just plain like Obama's demeanor and what he has to say better.

A debate is won or lost on more than just "points."


McCain got angrier and testier as the debate wore on. He may have been more controlled this time, but his 'tude is obnoxious and viewers don't like it.

The section about their respective campaigns did McCain no good. His protestations to the contrary, public perception is that his campaign is far more negative than Obama's. And perception is everything.

Obama pwnzored him about Bill Ayers and ACORN, and McCain looked like a fool when he just wouldn't let it go.


But, yeah, most damaging (imo) was his belittling of women's health concerns when it comes to abortion. Can you see him putting men's health concerns in litlte finger quotes and dismissing that as some far left radical agenda? (And John, that "agenda" happens to be the agenda of the United States Supreme Court and the Law of the Land ... not some far left radical plot. You, Sir, are a DickWad and, may I add, a FvckTard to boot.)

[Strangler Lewis]

In fairness to McCain, his shorthand comment about women's health was reasonably legitimate and speaks to the attempts to expand the health exception to include mental health, emotional health, etc. The format did not permit an extended discussion, but he could have done a far better job of flagging the issue than he did.

So maybe Obama didn't wipe the floor with McCain. McCain did. He certainly kept sticking mop handles up his butt and handing them to Obama.

[Gemini Cricket]

I'm sorry, but f*ck Joe the Plumber.

Re: Obama

"And unfortunately I asked the question but I still got a tap dance... Almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr," he said.

Speaking to Fox News, Mr Wurzelbacher said Mr Obama's plan to raise taxes to redistribute money was "kind of a socialist viewpoint".
"Robin Hood stole from greedy rich people and redistributed it to the peasants, so to speak, so if he's calling us peasants, I kind of resent that," he said.

Uh, did Obama compare himself to Robin Hood? Or is this Joe's analogy? It sounds to me that Joe is calling himself a peasant and blaming Barack for it.
Source

Not to mention that Joe isn't even in the income bracket Obama is talking about.

COURIC: Well, he supposedly will raise taxes only on people who make over $250,000 a year. Would you be in that category?

WURZELBACHER: Not right now at presently, but, you know, question, so he's going to do that now for people who make $250,000 a year. When's he going to decide that $100,000 is too much, you know? I mean, you're on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who decides that $250,000 and you're rich? And $100,000 and you're rich? I mean, where does it end? You know, that's - people got to ask that question.

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[scaeagles]

I wish he'd put out some "men's" health concerns.

One reason helth care is so much more expensive is stuff that never used to be possible to treat. Now we have viagara being covered but no one wants their premiums to go up as more and more things are covered. That's but one example, but you get the idea.

[scaeagles]

GC, Joe the Plumber understands, as the WSJ pointed out in great detail, the Obama is LIEING about his tax cuts for the middle class. Also, the whoel Robin Hood thing is exactly what's going on. Obama is going to tax the wealthy more to give money to those who don't even pay federal income taxes. This is not even in question. You may not like the analogy, but it is certainly accurate. He wants to take more from the wealthy and give it to those who pay any federal income taxes.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

GC, Joe the Plumber understands, as the WSJ pointed out in great detail, the Obama is LIEING about his tax cuts for the middle class.

I'm sorry, Joe is sounding racist to me. And Joe is making up stuff and saying that Obama is calling him a peasant.

Joe's not making $250,000. So how does his situation apply to Obama's proposal? He's bringing up a hypothetical and then blasting Obama for it. "Well, he may lower that." We don't know if that's the course he's going to take on a tax cut that hasn't been implemented yet. At this point, you could say Obama will do a thousand things.

Joe is one man with one opinion whose head has been inflated for the world to see like a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade balloon by McCain.

And if we want to talk about the WSJ, uh, which way does that paper lean? They say Obama is lying. Well I have to do is find one publication that says the opposite to counter your WSJ argument, Leo.

[scaeagles]

The WSJ link I posted lays out exactly what his plan entails. Either it does or it doesn't. If you dispute what it says, fine.

He sounds racist? Because he doesn't trust Obama when Obama is redefining what a tax cut even is? A tax cut means you pay less taxes. Obama now defines it as giving money to people who have paid no fdederal income taxes.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I thought Joe's concerns were about the business he wants to buy that makes more than $250,000 and would bump him into a new tax bracket.

I hate when Robin Hood is misconstrued. In the RH scenario, the taxes levied against the people are unfair and are not used to serve the people, but only pad the pockets of the royalty. Robin Hood doesn't steal from the rich - he takes back the poor's money from the rich and returns it to its rightful owners.

If Joe wanted to use RH as an analogy, he should have said that Obama was taxing unfairly.

[3894]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I thought Joe's concerns were about the business he wants to buy that makes more than $250,000 and would bump him into a new tax bracket.

That's my understanding, too. "Joe the Plumbing Contractor" would be a more accurate name but it sounds less everyman.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

He sounds racist? Because he doesn't trust Obama when Obama is redefining what a tax cut even is?

Oy. You missed my point.
See above.
Again. This is Joe the Plummer on Obama:

"And unfortunately I asked the question but I still got a tap dance... Almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr," he said.

I find that to be a underhanded, insulting comment directed at Obama.
If he didn't mean it that way, he needed to think about what it would sound like.
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