If a conservative had said it- they would demand his head - Page 4

Nephythys · 02-17-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Good to know I'm not a lib, I guess.

**Smooch**

Not Afraid · 02-17-2005, 05:40 PM

But, it's a joke of perceptions. That's why it's so funny. Actual reality may hove nothing to do with it.

SacTown Chronic · 02-17-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Yeah Ask Guckert if you can borrow his press pass. I hear he doesn't need it any more.

They're just being sloppy now...could be arrogance, I confuse the two.

Gleeful anticipation indeed.

scaeagles · 02-17-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

But, it's a joke of perceptions. That's why it's so funny. Actual reality may hove nothing to do with it.

Exactly. To repeat, I am certain he was joking.

The problem is that these perceptions lead to political lynchings of some - a la Trent Lott - and free passes for others - a la Chris Dodd. This is not right.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-17-2005, 11:34 PM

I'm sorry if you don't see a difference between, "There are a lot of minorities in the service inudstry," and, "We'd be better off as a country with a segregationist as our leader."

Jazzman · 02-18-2005, 01:26 AM

That's just the thing.

A Democrat makes that comment and it's just a harmless observation that, “Hey, a lot of minorities seem to work in hotels.” No big deal....

Take the comment and verbatim copy and paste it into any speech given by any Republican at any time, and controversy swirls. "See! Republicans are racist! They think that minorities are too stupid to get real jobs!" is cried from the mountain tops.

It's an argument in hypotheticals, of course, because obviously the same exact words are never going to be uttered by members of both parties, so there are no control or test subjects. But looking at past incidents, it's pretty safe to say that a Republican would be strung up, burnt at the stake and thrown over a cliff for saying that comment.

Nephythys · 02-18-2005, 06:06 AM

exactly-

scaeagles · 02-18-2005, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I'm sorry if you don't see a difference between, "There are a lot of minorities in the service inudstry," and, "We'd be better off as a country with a segregationist as our leader."

And I didn't make a direct comparison between Dean and Lott. I made a direct comparison between Lott praising a segregationist and getting destroyed in the media and being demoted, and Chris Dodd praising Robert Byrd, a former leader of the KKK, and nothing coming of it.

We're talking about the double standard. If a republican had said something similar to what Dean said - like my Bill Frist hypothetical before - he'd be a political pariah.

SacTown Chronic · 02-18-2005, 07:54 AM

There would be no bigger fuss if a republican had made these comments. Remember, Dean's words were said to a black audience and they were well received. This is a non-issue.

Now if Dean had made these type comments in a prepared speech to a more diverse audience, that would be something else entirely.

Nephythys · 02-18-2005, 08:03 AM

really? It's a non issue? That's a load of crap- there was protest from black people, but they're conservative, so are NON-persons to these people.

So, if you say something that sounds racist to some people but you say it to the ethnic group you are talking about, it's ok?

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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	But, it's a joke of perceptions. That's why it's so funny. Actual reality may hove nothing to do with it.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I'm sorry if you don't see a difference between, "There are a lot of minorities in the service inudstry," and, "We'd be better off as a country with a segregationist as our leader." __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Jazzman Sax God Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland's Tijuana Posts: 510	That's just the thing. A Democrat makes that comment and it's just a harmless observation that, “Hey, a lot of minorities seem to work in hotels.” No big deal.... Take the comment and verbatim copy and paste it into any speech given by any Republican at any time, and controversy swirls. "See! Republicans are racist! They think that minorities are too stupid to get real jobs!" is cried from the mountain tops. It's an argument in hypotheticals, of course, because obviously the same exact words are never going to be uttered by members of both parties, so there are no control or test subjects. But looking at past incidents, it's pretty safe to say that a Republican would be strung up, burnt at the stake and thrown over a cliff for saying that comment.
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02-18-2005, 06:06 AM	#37
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	exactly-
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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	There would be no bigger fuss if a republican had made these comments. Remember, Dean's words were said to a black audience and they were well received. This is a non-issue. Now if Dean had made these type comments in a prepared speech to a more diverse audience, that would be something else entirely. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	really? It's a non issue? That's a load of crap- there was protest from black people, but they're conservative, so are NON-persons to these people. So, if you say something that sounds racist to some people but you say it to the ethnic group you are talking about, it's ok?
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