Iranian election - Page 4

innerSpaceman · 06-20-2009, 11:53 AM

And for those who desire freedom, my heart goes out to those in Palestine.

I don't think freedom in Iran would do a whole lot to reduce hatred of jews and Americans, when we are so beautifully represented in the region by the Israeli and United States governments and war machines.

Cadaverous Pallor · 06-20-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And for those who desire freedom, my heart goes out to those in Palestine.

I don't think freedom in Iran would do a whole lot to reduce hatred of jews and Americans, when we are so beautifully represented in the region by the Israeli and United States governments and war machines.

I've come to agree with this.

innerSpaceman · 06-20-2009, 03:46 PM

I try not to think about it too much, but as a jew, Israel upsets me SOOOOOO much.

scaeagles · 06-20-2009, 04:32 PM

Here's the one reason that while as a people I feel sorry for the Palestinians, but do not fault Israel nearly so much as their neighbors.

Israel came into possession of of disputed territories after the were invaded in 1967 during the 6 day war. They were not the aggressors. These territories are now vitally important to them in terms of national defense. I do no blame them for looking to hang on to possession of them.

I do not believe it simply comes down to a Palestinian state. Arafat was offered a full 98% of all the territory he wanted and yet refused. This happened during the Clinton years. Why refuse that if you are Arafat and your goal isreally a Palestinian state? I think it is because he was, and a large portion of the Palestinian leadership still is, for the elimination of Israel as a state. Iran has threatened to obliterate them. Hamas is sworn to kill Jews.

I am certainly no expert in the creation of present day Israel except that there was an international agreement to do so in...1947? Not exactly sure. To the extent that the creation of Israel screwed over Palestinians I cannot speak but suppose that I wouldn't have been happy should I have lived there. This is indeed history and Israel isn't going away.

It seems to me as if cease fires are typically broken by Hamas or whomever, and Israel is supposed to simply accept missiles randomly launched into their country. They respond with overwhleming force......I might expect any country to do so.

sleepyjeff · 06-20-2009, 07:25 PM

^Well put Leo.

Betty · 06-21-2009, 06:06 AM

Poem for the Rooftops of Iran - June 19th, 2009

JWBear · 06-21-2009, 07:56 AM

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Poem for the Rooftops of Iran - June 19th, 2009

Already posted 7 posts up.

Tref · 06-21-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Already posted 7 posts up.

Can I just use the one Betty posted?

Kevy Baby · 06-21-2009, 10:47 AM

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Can I just use the one Betty posted?

No

Tref · 06-21-2009, 01:25 PM

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No

Then I'll use the one JWbear included.

06-20-2009, 11:53 AM	#31
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And for those who desire freedom, my heart goes out to those in Palestine. I don't think freedom in Iran would do a whole lot to reduce hatred of jews and Americans, when we are so beautifully represented in the region by the Israeli and United States governments and war machines.
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06-20-2009, 03:46 PM	#33
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I try not to think about it too much, but as a jew, Israel upsets me SOOOOOO much.
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06-20-2009, 04:32 PM	#34
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Here's the one reason that while as a people I feel sorry for the Palestinians, but do not fault Israel nearly so much as their neighbors. Israel came into possession of of disputed territories after the were invaded in 1967 during the 6 day war. They were not the aggressors. These territories are now vitally important to them in terms of national defense. I do no blame them for looking to hang on to possession of them. I do not believe it simply comes down to a Palestinian state. Arafat was offered a full 98% of all the territory he wanted and yet refused. This happened during the Clinton years. Why refuse that if you are Arafat and your goal isreally a Palestinian state? I think it is because he was, and a large portion of the Palestinian leadership still is, for the elimination of Israel as a state. Iran has threatened to obliterate them. Hamas is sworn to kill Jews. I am certainly no expert in the creation of present day Israel except that there was an international agreement to do so in...1947? Not exactly sure. To the extent that the creation of Israel screwed over Palestinians I cannot speak but suppose that I wouldn't have been happy should I have lived there. This is indeed history and Israel isn't going away. It seems to me as if cease fires are typically broken by Hamas or whomever, and Israel is supposed to simply accept missiles randomly launched into their country. They respond with overwhleming force......I might expect any country to do so.
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06-20-2009, 07:25 PM	#35
sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	^Well put Leo. __________________ River Guardian-less
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06-21-2009, 06:06 AM	#36
Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	Poem for the Rooftops of Iran - June 19th, 2009 __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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