CA Supreme Court to rule on Gay Marriage today (5/15) at 10:00am - Page 40

Chernabog · 10-13-2008, 10:51 AM

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008...proposition-8/

Read that. It is a REALLY good breakdown of all the lies of the Yes on Prop 8 people. It is long but very well written.

blueerica · 10-13-2008, 11:10 AM

I am soooo excited to get my absentee ballot this year!

BUT - when will it finally get here?!?!?!

blueerica · 10-13-2008, 12:00 PM

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Marriage, 6-year-old Nolan Alexander said Friday, is "people falling in love."
It means, he added, "You stay with someone the rest of your life."

Full story here.

While I could see that it iscontroversial, I'll assume that no one forced anyone's child to go on this field trip, negating what I'm sure the Prop H8TE people are sure to be saying about it.

Strangler Lewis · 10-13-2008, 12:27 PM

I don't see any problem with the field trip, but I don't like see kids used as props in political campaigns. The six-year-old kid quoted above wasn't born trailing clouds of glory with intuitive knowledge about marriage. He was told that by someone I happened to agree with. They could quote some pro-8 kid about God's plan for man and woman, and I'd disagree.

blueerica · 10-13-2008, 12:39 PM

I think you mean Pro-8... right?

alphabassettgrrl · 10-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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California Education Code permits school districts to offer comprehensive sex education, but if they do, they have to "teach respect for marriage and committed relationships."

So far so good.

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As is the case with all field trips, parents had to give their permission and could choose to opt out of the trip. Two families did. Those children spent the duration of the 90-minute field trip back at school with another first-grade class, the interim director said.

Sounds like a good plan. I'd say it would be a problem if it was done in secret, but if everybody knows what's going on, I don't see any problem at all. Like somebody in the article said, teacher's marriage is legal.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 04:19 PM

Yeah, but why take kids on a field trip to a wedding? From the article, it seemed as if the teacher is claiming there was a legitimate civil rights issue being taught, but it seems to me the kids were a tad too young for that sort of thing.

Morrigoon · 10-13-2008, 04:24 PM

Because experiences outside the classroom are enriching, and because it was a darn nice thing to do. Isn't it time we taught kids to do nice things?

BarTopDancer · 10-13-2008, 04:47 PM

Not done in secret, correct. Yet unless they take students to a straight wedding too they just played into the most recent Yes on 8 commercial. Now, this took place in SF, which is way more 'gay friendly' then the Central Valley probably is. Yet, the Central Valley people are going to read about it and go omg, those Yes on 8 commercials are right! My kid is going to be forced to learn about gay weddings. I better vote to take away these rights! Why won't someone think of the children!?!?

I despise children being used as a political props, and in this case it applies. Nice idea, yes. Timing is terrible though.

As horrible as it is, this race is very close. I see more and more yes on 8 signs in car windows and on lawns then I do no on 8 signs. People really need to watch their actions to not scare those borderline voters, who really are undecided. Or those voters who are against gay marriage for whatever reason but aren't against taking away rights. It it time for firmly walking on eggshells, not "whether you like it or not!" campaigning and behavior. The in your face/deal with it is just going to backfire.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 05:44 PM

Yep, it was a nice thing to do ... but so unbelievably stupid. And frankly it was age-inappropriate for any purported educational value. And sorry, but teachers are not supposed to take kids on field trips because it's "nice."

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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I don't see any problem with the field trip, but I don't like see kids used as props in political campaigns. The six-year-old kid quoted above wasn't born trailing clouds of glory with intuitive knowledge about marriage. He was told that by someone I happened to agree with. They could quote some pro-8 kid about God's plan for man and woman, and I'd disagree. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club! Last edited by Strangler Lewis : 10-13-2008 at 12:52 PM.
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blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	I think you mean Pro-8... right? __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, but why take kids on a field trip to a wedding? From the article, it seemed as if the teacher is claiming there was a legitimate civil rights issue being taught, but it seems to me the kids were a tad too young for that sort of thing.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Because experiences outside the classroom are enriching, and because it was a darn nice thing to do. Isn't it time we taught kids to do nice things? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Not done in secret, correct. Yet unless they take students to a straight wedding too they just played into the most recent Yes on 8 commercial. Now, this took place in SF, which is way more 'gay friendly' then the Central Valley probably is. Yet, the Central Valley people are going to read about it and go omg, those Yes on 8 commercials are right! My kid is going to be forced to learn about gay weddings. I better vote to take away these rights! Why won't someone think of the children!?!? I despise children being used as a political props, and in this case it applies. Nice idea, yes. Timing is terrible though. As horrible as it is, this race is very close. I see more and more yes on 8 signs in car windows and on lawns then I do no on 8 signs. People really need to watch their actions to not scare those borderline voters, who really are undecided. Or those voters who are against gay marriage for whatever reason but aren't against taking away rights. It it time for firmly walking on eggshells, not "whether you like it or not!" campaigning and behavior. The in your face/deal with it is just going to backfire. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yep, it was a nice thing to do ... but so unbelievably stupid. And frankly it was age-inappropriate for any purported educational value. And sorry, but teachers are not supposed to take kids on field trips because it's "nice."
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