CA Supreme Court to rule on Gay Marriage today (5/15) at 10:00am - Page 40

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 04:19 PM

Yeah, but why take kids on a field trip to a wedding? From the article, it seemed as if the teacher is claiming there was a legitimate civil rights issue being taught, but it seems to me the kids were a tad too young for that sort of thing.

Morrigoon · 10-13-2008, 04:24 PM

Because experiences outside the classroom are enriching, and because it was a darn nice thing to do. Isn't it time we taught kids to do nice things?

BarTopDancer · 10-13-2008, 04:47 PM

Not done in secret, correct. Yet unless they take students to a straight wedding too they just played into the most recent Yes on 8 commercial. Now, this took place in SF, which is way more 'gay friendly' then the Central Valley probably is. Yet, the Central Valley people are going to read about it and go omg, those Yes on 8 commercials are right! My kid is going to be forced to learn about gay weddings. I better vote to take away these rights! Why won't someone think of the children!?!?

I despise children being used as a political props, and in this case it applies. Nice idea, yes. Timing is terrible though.

As horrible as it is, this race is very close. I see more and more yes on 8 signs in car windows and on lawns then I do no on 8 signs. People really need to watch their actions to not scare those borderline voters, who really are undecided. Or those voters who are against gay marriage for whatever reason but aren't against taking away rights. It it time for firmly walking on eggshells, not "whether you like it or not!" campaigning and behavior. The in your face/deal with it is just going to backfire.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 05:44 PM

Yep, it was a nice thing to do ... but so unbelievably stupid. And frankly it was age-inappropriate for any purported educational value. And sorry, but teachers are not supposed to take kids on field trips because it's "nice."

MouseWife · 10-13-2008, 06:31 PM

I agree they are too young for this. Perhaps high school kids and have them go to both types of weddings?

Reminds me of when my son was in 6th grade and they wanted to take them to the Museum of Tolerance {many may remember this} and I said they were too young. They felt it was appropriate with the many Hispanics in our school and the issues surrounding that fact.

When it came down to it, the museum itself would not allow them to go through the Holocaust part of the museum because of their age.

I was a bit ha! because I was one of the only parents I knew of to say it was wrong and the museum actually backed me up when the principal and teachers would not.

But, yeah, I agree with BtD. I may have just played into their hands. I hope we are not seeing too many 'No On 8' signs just because people are being private.

I was telling a friend that all of this is that when this is over, I am going to have a hard time looking at those 'Yes On 8' people and like them. It is wrong to deny people their lives, essentially. A partner, someone to share their lives with? Wrong. To give them rights {which actually even heterosexual couples have problems with, right? Didn't Sandra Bullock have issues when her boyfriend was in the hospital and they wouldn't let her see him or let her make certain decisions? I'm not sure but I know it was something.}

I spoke with someone yesterday who said their church had requested they fast for Prop 8? I heard a big church, the Rock church, also asked for that.

Such love.

'And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love, yes they'll know we are Christians by our love.....

SzczerbiakManiac · 10-17-2008, 03:51 PM

A great video rebuttal for the Yes on H8 commercial with that Pepperdine jack@ss:
http://milkfat.com/proph8.htm

Gemini Cricket · 10-13-2008, 06:49 PM

Kids are used as political props all the time. There were several parents who brought their kids to hold "Protect Traditional Marriage" signs in Boston and Honolulu.

I see no problem with parents deciding that their kids should attend their teacher's wedding. And the other people who disapproved of seeing kids there need to butt out.

If I had children, I would let them go to a gay wedding. Totally.

BarTopDancer · 10-13-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

If I had children, I would let them go to a gay wedding. Totally.

I would too, and I hope to do so. I just think that something nice for their teacher turned into something it shouldn't have purely based upon the timing.

It is their teachers wedding. It just so happens that their teacher is a lesbian. What turned into a fun surprise is being turned into this class went to their lesbian teachers wedding.

MouseWife · 10-13-2008, 07:04 PM

That is a point, I don't want to read the article, but, was it during school hours? If it wasn't, why was it even called a field trip? How about just that they were invited? Why was a teacher married during school hours?

And, yes, you are right. I have seen kids saying so many things that you know they had to have learned it from someone. Certain things are not just in their minds. You don't learn hate from Sesame Street and Sponge Bob.

Aw, GC, you would be a wonderful parent.

alphabassettgrrl · 10-13-2008, 06:35 PM

I see a difference between taking the kids to "a" wedding, and taking them to "their teacher's" wedding.

I do agree that children shouldn't be used as political props.

My neighbor just put up a "yes" sign; I need to ask husband if it's ok to put up a "no on 8".

10-13-2008, 04:19 PM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, but why take kids on a field trip to a wedding? From the article, it seemed as if the teacher is claiming there was a legitimate civil rights issue being taught, but it seems to me the kids were a tad too young for that sort of thing.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Because experiences outside the classroom are enriching, and because it was a darn nice thing to do. Isn't it time we taught kids to do nice things? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Not done in secret, correct. Yet unless they take students to a straight wedding too they just played into the most recent Yes on 8 commercial. Now, this took place in SF, which is way more 'gay friendly' then the Central Valley probably is. Yet, the Central Valley people are going to read about it and go omg, those Yes on 8 commercials are right! My kid is going to be forced to learn about gay weddings. I better vote to take away these rights! Why won't someone think of the children!?!? I despise children being used as a political props, and in this case it applies. Nice idea, yes. Timing is terrible though. As horrible as it is, this race is very close. I see more and more yes on 8 signs in car windows and on lawns then I do no on 8 signs. People really need to watch their actions to not scare those borderline voters, who really are undecided. Or those voters who are against gay marriage for whatever reason but aren't against taking away rights. It it time for firmly walking on eggshells, not "whether you like it or not!" campaigning and behavior. The in your face/deal with it is just going to backfire. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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10-13-2008, 05:44 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yep, it was a nice thing to do ... but so unbelievably stupid. And frankly it was age-inappropriate for any purported educational value. And sorry, but teachers are not supposed to take kids on field trips because it's "nice."
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10-13-2008, 06:31 PM	#5
MouseWife Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Da' Beach Posts: 2,957	I agree they are too young for this. Perhaps high school kids and have them go to both types of weddings? Reminds me of when my son was in 6th grade and they wanted to take them to the Museum of Tolerance {many may remember this} and I said they were too young. They felt it was appropriate with the many Hispanics in our school and the issues surrounding that fact. When it came down to it, the museum itself would not allow them to go through the Holocaust part of the museum because of their age. I was a bit ha! because I was one of the only parents I knew of to say it was wrong and the museum actually backed me up when the principal and teachers would not. But, yeah, I agree with BtD. I may have just played into their hands. I hope we are not seeing too many 'No On 8' signs just because people are being private. I was telling a friend that all of this is that when this is over, I am going to have a hard time looking at those 'Yes On 8' people and like them. It is wrong to deny people their lives, essentially. A partner, someone to share their lives with? Wrong. To give them rights {which actually even heterosexual couples have problems with, right? Didn't Sandra Bullock have issues when her boyfriend was in the hospital and they wouldn't let her see him or let her make certain decisions? I'm not sure but I know it was something.} I spoke with someone yesterday who said their church had requested they fast for Prop 8? I heard a big church, the Rock church, also asked for that. Such love. 'And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love, yes they'll know we are Christians by our love..... __________________ Summa' time....when the livins' easy.........
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10-17-2008, 03:51 PM	#6
SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	A great video rebuttal for the Yes on H8 commercial with that Pepperdine jack@ss: http://milkfat.com/proph8.htm __________________
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10-13-2008, 06:49 PM	#7
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Kids are used as political props all the time. There were several parents who brought their kids to hold "Protect Traditional Marriage" signs in Boston and Honolulu. I see no problem with parents deciding that their kids should attend their teacher's wedding. And the other people who disapproved of seeing kids there need to butt out. If I had children, I would let them go to a gay wedding. Totally.
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10-13-2008, 07:04 PM	#9
MouseWife Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Da' Beach Posts: 2,957	That is a point, I don't want to read the article, but, was it during school hours? If it wasn't, why was it even called a field trip? How about just that they were invited? Why was a teacher married during school hours? And, yes, you are right. I have seen kids saying so many things that you know they had to have learned it from someone. Certain things are not just in their minds. You don't learn hate from Sesame Street and Sponge Bob. Aw, GC, you would be a wonderful parent. __________________ Summa' time....when the livins' easy.........
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10-13-2008, 06:35 PM	#10
alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I see a difference between taking the kids to "a" wedding, and taking them to "their teacher's" wedding. I do agree that children shouldn't be used as political props. My neighbor just put up a "yes" sign; I need to ask husband if it's ok to put up a "no on 8". __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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