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[JWBear]

How could I have forgotten gene Kelly?!

[3894]

Shoot, I was right about Joe the Plumbing Contractor being a Republican plant.

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[Gemini Cricket]

Like I said, whether he meant for it to sound racist or not, it definitely played that way. I think that's poor judgment on Mr. Wurzelbacher's part. You're talking to Katie Couric, millions of people just heard your name 26 times in a presidential debate... I'm thinking I'd be watching what I say.
I'm sorry, Moonie, but I believe his comment sounded completely racist.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Like I said, whether he meant for it to sound racist or not, it definitely played that way. I think that's poor judgment on Mr. Wurzelbacher's part. You're talking to Katie Couric, millions of people just heard your name 26 times in a presidential debate... I'm thinking I'd be watching what I say.
I'm sorry, Moonie, but I believe his comment sounded completely racist.

Sorry, all I see here is fear.

You all have an agenda you want to achieve, and "Joe" is seen as a threat to that agenda. Therefore he must be destroyed. His motives questioned, his character trashed. The ends justify the means. Truth is, well truth is just not that important. Perception is king.


Note you can replace "Joe" with: "Charles H. Keating", "William Ayers", "Rev. Wright", "Cindy Hensley", "AIG" or a dozen other names. Some bad some not but all being used as pawns to gain an advantage. The game remains the same.

[Gemini Cricket]

Joe is no victim here. Joe has been stumping for McCain by saying things like "Oh, I won't say who I'm voting for, but I'm against Socialism". Joe is being used by both sides. Agendas all around...
In the end, the publicity will help his business. You can't have a better ad than what happened last night and all day today.

[innerSpaceman]

Unfortunately we don't have any black swankers here to comment. In fact, this whole place is suspiciously lacking in members of color.

So just go ahead and compare the next black person you speak with to Sammy Davis, Jr. and tap-dancing, and see if it's taken kindly.




Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both. So I can tell you outright that any comparison to a famous fag and things gays used to have to do to get in good with straights, or to a famous jew and things jews used to have to do to get in good with gentiles, and I would sure as shuck and jive take offense at it.



But don't take my word for it, Moonliner ... go and make that Sammy Davis tap-dancing crack to the next black man you encounter.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Unfortunately we don't have any black swankers here to comment. In fact, this whole place is suspiciously lacking in members of color.

So just go ahead and compare the next black person you speak with to Sammy Davis, Jr. and tap-dancing, and see if it's taken kindly.




Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both. So I can tell you outright that any comparison to a famous fag and things gays used to have to do to get in good with straights, or to a famous jew and things jews used to have to do to get in good with gentiles, and I would sure as shuck and jive take offense at it.



But don't take my word for it, Moonliner ... go and make that Sammy Davis tap-dancing crack to the next black man you encounter.

No, I see your point of view.

I see a tap dancing politician (in Joe's opinion) compared to a world class tap dancer.

What you see is a comment about race, oppression and hatred.

I guess we all bring our preconceived notions to the world we see around us.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both.

There are Asian Americans on this board. According to my family I could be anywhere from a 1/4 to 1/2 Chinese.
And there's a Hawaiian on this board. That's me. I have 1/4 Hawaiian.

[innerSpaceman]

I guess so. And I can see the harmlessness and true point of Joe's statement that has nothing to do with racism.

But since I can also see how it can be also be taken poorly as a racist remark, I might think twice before I said it on national TV.

I appreciate Joe had only 1 night's warning of glory-filled dream sleep before being thrust onto the national stage. But if he had a clue about recent history and Katie Couric (cough*Palin*cough) he might have still been a tad more carful about his words.

[scaeagles]

I am a republican. Around here, certainly a minority!