The Gay Thread - Page 42

SzczerbiakManiac · 06-02-2010, 10:26 AM

What do you mean iSm?

According to TowleRoad, "The theme for the ad campaign is "Come As You Are" as the restaurant chain seeks to emphasize that their customers are free to be themselves." I thought it was pretty cool of McD's to show that. Can you imagine the fundie shïtstorm that would arise if that were shown in the US?

Alex · 06-02-2010, 10:32 AM

"McDonald's: Come as you are but stay closeted with your dad."

SzczerbiakManiac · 06-02-2010, 10:45 AM

I see how one could interpret it that way, but that's not the message I got.

SzczerbiakManiac · 06-02-2010, 10:58 AM

from Radio Netherlands Worldwide

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Gay KLM stewards want to avoid Iran

Trouble is brewing at Dutch airline KLM, where a number of homosexual stewards want to be excused from flying to Iran. Iran is one of the most intolerant countries in the world when it comes to homosexuality, and the stewards--who have to spend the night there because of their work--do not feel safe.

Dutch newspaper AD reports that they asked KLM for alternative destinations but were turned down.

KLM has already allowed a number of stewardesses not to serve on flights to Iran because "unpleasant things happened to them there", but the company says it cannot make any more exceptions. No further changes will be made unless it becomes really unsafe for personnel.

The FNV trade union confederation is aware of the dispute but says finding a solution is complicated. Female cabin crew personnel who work on flights to Iran have to wear headscarves on arrival. According to the union, they regard this as unpleasant.

I completely sympathize with gay male flight attendants who don't want to spend time in Iran, but I also see the pickle this puts KLM in. If they allow female and gay male FAs to not take those shifts, what will they have left? I'm not suggesting KLM has no heterosexual male FAs, but I wonder if they have enough of them to maintain Iranian flights.

Cadaverous Pallor · 06-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

I see how one could interpret it that way, but that's not the message I got.

It seemed really sad to me. "McDonalds: You might never be able to tell your dad, but our restaurant booths would never judge you."

innerSpaceman · 06-02-2010, 11:37 AM

Sorry, SM, but I got the exact same message as Alex. A kid who's afraid to come out to his dad. Bad message.

What the frell does "come as you are" have to do with McDonald's? What, did they discriminate against gays in the past? Has anyone, anywhere on the world ever felt for a split second that they could not go into a freaking McDonald's? That message makes No Sense Whatsoever ... so I'm left with the actual events of the ad, which shows a gay boy who happens to be eating at McDonald's resisting yet another opportunity to come out of the closet to one of his parents.

Great stuff. Closeted gays make me so hungry for french fries. So, I repeat - WTF???

innerSpaceman · 06-02-2010, 11:42 AM

As for the Iranian issue, KLM should outright HALT fights to anyplace where it is a threat to the lives of their employees for them to spend a layover.

(though perhaps that's a poor choice of words when discussing gay flight attendants.)

Gn2Dlnd · 06-02-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

from Radio Netherlands WorldwideI completely sympathize with gay male flight attendants who don't want to spend time in Iran, but I also see the pickle this puts KLM in. If they allow female and gay male FAs to not take those shifts, what will they have left? I'm not suggesting KLM has no heterosexual male FAs, but I wonder if they have enough of them to maintain Iranian flights.

Maybe, just maybe, they could stop flying to Iran. Every business decision does not have to be based on money.

On a side note, though, kudos to KLM for speaking in matter-of-fact terms about their gay employees.

Alex · 06-02-2010, 12:06 PM

Have there been any incidents of violence, intimidation, or other mistreatment of gay flight attendants in Iran or it is a more general fear knowing that homosexuality it criminalized (in which case Iran should not be unique).

I can understand from KLMs persepctive why making such exceptions is difficult. Maybe they can find a market solution. Put routes up for auction with the flight attenandants. The more who want a route the lower the pay for the route so the non-stop to St. Thomas is worked minimum wage but a premium is paid for Novosibirsk (and, presumably Tehran)

JWBear · 06-02-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

Every business decision does not have to be based on money.

Heresy! Are you some kind of un-American communist?!

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SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	What do you mean iSm? According to TowleRoad, "The theme for the ad campaign is "Come As You Are" as the restaurant chain seeks to emphasize that their customers are free to be themselves." I thought it was pretty cool of McD's to show that. Can you imagine the fundie shïtstorm that would arise if that were shown in the US? __________________
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06-02-2010, 10:32 AM	#412
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	"McDonald's: Come as you are but stay closeted with your dad."
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06-02-2010, 11:37 AM	#416
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Sorry, SM, but I got the exact same message as Alex. A kid who's afraid to come out to his dad. Bad message. What the frell does "come as you are" have to do with McDonald's? What, did they discriminate against gays in the past? Has anyone, anywhere on the world ever felt for a split second that they could not go into a freaking McDonald's? That message makes No Sense Whatsoever ... so I'm left with the actual events of the ad, which shows a gay boy who happens to be eating at McDonald's resisting yet another opportunity to come out of the closet to one of his parents. Great stuff. Closeted gays make me so hungry for french fries. So, I repeat - WTF???
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06-02-2010, 11:42 AM	#417
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	As for the Iranian issue, KLM should outright HALT fights to anyplace where it is a threat to the lives of their employees for them to spend a layover. (though perhaps that's a poor choice of words when discussing gay flight attendants.)
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06-02-2010, 12:06 PM	#419
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Have there been any incidents of violence, intimidation, or other mistreatment of gay flight attendants in Iran or it is a more general fear knowing that homosexuality it criminalized (in which case Iran should not be unique). I can understand from KLMs persepctive why making such exceptions is difficult. Maybe they can find a market solution. Put routes up for auction with the flight attenandants. The more who want a route the lower the pay for the route so the non-stop to St. Thomas is worked minimum wage but a premium is paid for Novosibirsk (and, presumably Tehran)
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