The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 429

Ghoulish Delight · 06-26-2009, 07:25 AM

No he "shouldn't". It's just as hypocritical for the people who defended Clinton to now be calling for Sanford's resignation as it is for Sanford to have been calling for Clinton's only to have an affair of his own.

If he decides to resign because of it that's his choice. But I my opinion has not changed since the Lewinski affair, infidelity is not reason enough to demand someone's resignation.

Tref · 06-26-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No he "shouldn't". It's just as hypocritical for the people who defended Clinton to now be calling for Sanford's resignation as it is for Sanford to have been calling for Clinton's only to have an affair of his own.

Oh yes, he "should".

Besides, who is calling for anything? If Sanford believes that one should resign for either an illicit affair or lying, and he has certainly done both, then he should act on these beliefs and do the right thing.

Strangler Lewis · 06-26-2009, 07:28 AM

It's not enough reason to demand Sanford's resignation. It is, however, enough reason to indulge in mocking him as being unfit for office by his own terms.

Alex · 06-26-2009, 07:35 AM

And I suspect that Sanford probably (though I haven't seen the quotes) didn't call for Clinton to resign because he had an affair but rather to resign because he lied under oath about the affair (yes, convenient political cover but a not entirely invalid distinction).

And so, similar to what I said. The affair is not reason for Sanford to resign. How he went about having the affair (simply disappearing for several days) may be.

scaeagles · 06-26-2009, 07:37 AM

I think Sanford should resign, not simply for the affair, but because of his disappearance.

Likewise, with Clinton, it wasn't simply an issue of as affair.

With politicians and affairs, I think an issue of trust comes into play. If a politician will betray the person and/or people closest to them in such a dramatic way, how can I trust them not to be completely self serving in their handling of their duties in their job?

Alex · 06-26-2009, 07:42 AM

You can't. But you couldn't before the affair either.

Out of curiosity, would you change 401k plans if you learned the fund manager cheated on his wife? Or do you expect that he can separate the spheres?

scaeagles · 06-26-2009, 08:16 AM

Hmmm... a fair question. I suppose I might. I certainly recognize that we all have our failings, but as with anyone, I prefer to do business with those that I trust.

Yeah, I suppose there is the capability of separating those two spheres, but I would be much more likely to then wonder if I can trust him with my money (in terms of fraud rather than management capability), and those questions of trust could be enough to make me change some things.

Snowflake · 06-26-2009, 08:30 AM

Sanford should resign for leaving the state in which he was governor without a governor. When nobody obn staff or the Lt. Governor knew where he was or how to reach him. For this he should resign. ymmv

3894 · 06-26-2009, 08:44 AM

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Sanford should resign for leaving the state in which he was governor without a governor. When nobody obn staff or the Lt. Governor knew where he was or how to reach him. For this he should resign.

That's certainly dereliction of duty.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-26-2009, 10:47 AM

Wow, Rush Linbaugh is blaming Obama for Sanford's affair. Classic.

06-26-2009, 07:25 AM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	No he "shouldn't". It's just as hypocritical for the people who defended Clinton to now be calling for Sanford's resignation as it is for Sanford to have been calling for Clinton's only to have an affair of his own. If he decides to resign because of it that's his choice. But I my opinion has not changed since the Lewinski affair, infidelity is not reason enough to demand someone's resignation. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	It's not enough reason to demand Sanford's resignation. It is, however, enough reason to indulge in mocking him as being unfit for office by his own terms. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	And I suspect that Sanford probably (though I haven't seen the quotes) didn't call for Clinton to resign because he had an affair but rather to resign because he lied under oath about the affair (yes, convenient political cover but a not entirely invalid distinction). And so, similar to what I said. The affair is not reason for Sanford to resign. How he went about having the affair (simply disappearing for several days) may be.
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06-26-2009, 07:37 AM	#5
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I think Sanford should resign, not simply for the affair, but because of his disappearance. Likewise, with Clinton, it wasn't simply an issue of as affair. With politicians and affairs, I think an issue of trust comes into play. If a politician will betray the person and/or people closest to them in such a dramatic way, how can I trust them not to be completely self serving in their handling of their duties in their job?
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06-26-2009, 07:42 AM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	You can't. But you couldn't before the affair either. Out of curiosity, would you change 401k plans if you learned the fund manager cheated on his wife? Or do you expect that he can separate the spheres?
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06-26-2009, 08:16 AM	#7
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Hmmm... a fair question. I suppose I might. I certainly recognize that we all have our failings, but as with anyone, I prefer to do business with those that I trust. Yeah, I suppose there is the capability of separating those two spheres, but I would be much more likely to then wonder if I can trust him with my money (in terms of fraud rather than management capability), and those questions of trust could be enough to make me change some things.
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06-26-2009, 08:30 AM	#8
Snowflake lost in the fog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 7,831	Sanford should resign for leaving the state in which he was governor without a governor. When nobody obn staff or the Lt. Governor knew where he was or how to reach him. For this he should resign. ymmv
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Wow, Rush Linbaugh is blaming Obama for Sanford's affair. Classic. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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