The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 430

Ghoulish Delight · 06-26-2009, 10:50 AM

So, how many times can one make the same mistake before people have to start thinking it's not an accident?

Just wondering

€uroMeinke · 06-26-2009, 07:13 PM

But did he break up with the Argentine? Maybe he can be the first Open Marriage candidate?

Ghoulish Delight · 06-26-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

But did he break up with the Argentine? Maybe he can be the first Open Marriage candidate?

Odds are low. His wife's already kicked him out of the house. Plus, Clinton was clearly the first open marriage candidate, even if they weren't entirely open about their open marriage.

€uroMeinke · 06-26-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Odds are low. His wife's already kicked him out of the house. Plus, Clinton was clearly the first open marriage candidate, even if they weren't entirely open about their open marriage.

I think other Presidents beat out Clinton on that - unless we know something about Hillary's lovers

scaeagles · 06-29-2009, 01:37 PM

Its going to be interesting to see how the situation turns out in Honduras. Both sides are claiming to be in the right, but I think the Wall Street Journal spells it out very well.

It seems as if the Honduran President was trying to circumvent the constitution, the Supreme Court of Honduras ruled in that way, the President told a military leader not to abide by the ruling of the court, he told the President he had to obey the court, the military guy was fired, and then the military used force to remove the President for violating the Constitution and the orders of the court.

If this is indeed the case, I am concerned that Obama administration is coming to the defense of the ousted President.

Alex · 06-29-2009, 01:50 PM

If Clinton had been impeached but refused to leave office I'd still have been concerned if the Army came in of its own accord and gave him the boot (or if the military had intervened to put a stop to Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre).

I assume that Honduras has a criminal justice system independent of the military and if so that strikes me as the appropriate forum if indeed the president was engaged in criminal activity.

ETA: And having given my immediate gut reaction to just that WSJ article I'll go try and find out myself what exactly is going on. Then maybe I'll offer an informed opinion too.

Alex · 06-29-2009, 02:16 PM

Ok, slightly more informed opinion:

Pretty much what I said before. The political institutions of Honduras had ruled his actions illegal. However, there are political and legal solutions to this and the military acting on its own (apparently the claim after a couple days that the military was acting on orders from the supreme court have iffy documentation and the supreme court doesn't have authority to issue such orders anyway) is never a good idea.

As for Obama supporting the wrong guy, you may think that, but he's hardly alone. Not a single single government or international organization has expressed support for what the military did in Honduras.

To me the obvious solution is for him to be returned to power and for the national legislature to proceed with impeachment proceedings if those are warranted.

JWBear · 06-29-2009, 03:42 PM

Military coups never end well.

Andrew · 06-29-2009, 04:08 PM

And besides, the Honduran president has never produced a birth certificate proving his eligibility to be elected in the first place! I heard he was born in Nicaragua!

JWBear · 06-29-2009, 05:02 PM

...And, he's Muslim!

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Its going to be interesting to see how the situation turns out in Honduras. Both sides are claiming to be in the right, but I think the Wall Street Journal spells it out very well. It seems as if the Honduran President was trying to circumvent the constitution, the Supreme Court of Honduras ruled in that way, the President told a military leader not to abide by the ruling of the court, he told the President he had to obey the court, the military guy was fired, and then the military used force to remove the President for violating the Constitution and the orders of the court. If this is indeed the case, I am concerned that Obama administration is coming to the defense of the ousted President.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If Clinton had been impeached but refused to leave office I'd still have been concerned if the Army came in of its own accord and gave him the boot (or if the military had intervened to put a stop to Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre). I assume that Honduras has a criminal justice system independent of the military and if so that strikes me as the appropriate forum if indeed the president was engaged in criminal activity. ETA: And having given my immediate gut reaction to just that WSJ article I'll go try and find out myself what exactly is going on. Then maybe I'll offer an informed opinion too.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ok, slightly more informed opinion: Pretty much what I said before. The political institutions of Honduras had ruled his actions illegal. However, there are political and legal solutions to this and the military acting on its own (apparently the claim after a couple days that the military was acting on orders from the supreme court have iffy documentation and the supreme court doesn't have authority to issue such orders anyway) is never a good idea. As for Obama supporting the wrong guy, you may think that, but he's hardly alone. Not a single single government or international organization has expressed support for what the military did in Honduras. To me the obvious solution is for him to be returned to power and for the national legislature to proceed with impeachment proceedings if those are warranted.
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