The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 449

Strangler Lewis · 09-04-2009, 12:23 PM

Before he was sent off to the Pacific in WWII, my father found himself guarding German POWs. When they found out that he spoke German, they would try to converse with him about how they only wanted to save the world from communism.

scaeagles · 09-04-2009, 12:51 PM

I didn't say it was socialism. I said it wasn't pro-capitalism. You claimed it was pro-capitalism. You are wrong. The Nazi government controlled industry and eliminated competition.

That's your idea of "regulation"? Yikes.

scaeagles · 09-04-2009, 01:53 PM

You know what....I can accept that. I take it back.

I disagree that they are astroturf, but I do believe you are correct in your interpretation.

wendybeth · 09-04-2009, 10:46 PM

They are astroturf. My idiot sister-in-law is one of them. The whole family was raised on military health, then switched to public assistance/medicaid, and now their grandkids are on SSI and Medicaid. They are vehemently against Obama and healthcare reform because everyone knows he's a socialist and socialized medicine is JUST WRONG!!!! (sigh).

SacTown Chronic · 09-05-2009, 09:02 AM

One protester at a town hall meeting in a medicade heavy town near me kept having her concerns (of which there were many) about Obama's socialist health care plans shot down by demonstrable facts. Finally, frustrated by the realization that she had no idea what she was talking about - stupid chain e-mails let me down! -, she showed her Astroturfy colors (uglier than Boise State's) and got to the point: "I don't need no n!gger in Washington telling me what kind of health care I can have". Score!

Oh yes, scaeagles, most of 'em are as artificial as a rubber dong. They take their marching orders from Idiots With Mics and they're not really protesting what they say they are protesting. I know these people. Oh how I fvcking know them. Signs showing swastikas with red circle-slashes go way beyond any reasonable discourse about the direction of health care in this country. Really? We need to drag the Nazis into a discussion about healh care? It seems to me that if you had actual concerns, you'd take the time to get the facts before showing up at a town hall meeting. I'm not seeing much of that.

scaeagles · 09-05-2009, 08:44 AM

Perhaps I do not understand the meaning of astroturf. I thought astroturf meant an artificial grass roots movement. The vast majority of the protesters are certainly not artificial.

wendybeth · 09-05-2009, 09:04 AM

It is artificial. My SIL is an idiot, to be sure, but she's been egged on by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, and all the other hate mongers who tell her that her misery in life is caused by Democrats. I've known her a long time and can pretty much state with confidence that is has been a series of very poor choices that has led her to her current situation. She's caught up in the whole Tea Party and Town Hall thing, but if she understood what she was protesting and just how very much she has benefited from (and continues to benefit from) state and federally funded programs, I wonder if she would be such an active participant. I don't bother talking to her about it- I've had enough with trying to reason with stupidity. I really think she just likes belonging to a group that makes her feel important- sort of like joining a cult, but without the expense.

BarTopDancer · 09-05-2009, 09:07 AM

Does Goodwin's law apply to political debates?

wendybeth · 09-05-2009, 09:35 AM

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Does Goodwin's law apply to political debates?

I think that's pretty much the only time it's ever invoked. The real question is: Does Darwin's Law? Part of me would like to see some of these 'Astroturfers' get their wish. A very small, very mean part of me.

scaeagles · 09-05-2009, 09:46 AM

I can cite just as many anecdotal examples of why I beleive those for it are "astroturfers" as well. My brother in law is in a union and he was told to go to a recent town hall and support the program. I am certain both sides have those elements, but I am not an astroturfer, and I don't personally know any.

Is the polling data that shows most Americans against it artificial? A Sept 1 Rasmussen poll shows it's 53-43 against. I've read others that show something like a 2-1 margin of independents oppose it. It is just astroturfers swaying the results?

I suppose any conservative upswell against it must be artificial, and those who support the plan just know what's best for America.

09-04-2009, 12:23 PM	#1
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I didn't say it was socialism. I said it wasn't pro-capitalism. You claimed it was pro-capitalism. You are wrong. The Nazi government controlled industry and eliminated competition. That's your idea of "regulation"? Yikes.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	You know what....I can accept that. I take it back. I disagree that they are astroturf, but I do believe you are correct in your interpretation.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	They are astroturf. My idiot sister-in-law is one of them. The whole family was raised on military health, then switched to public assistance/medicaid, and now their grandkids are on SSI and Medicaid. They are vehemently against Obama and healthcare reform because everyone knows he's a socialist and socialized medicine is JUST WRONG!!!! (sigh). __________________
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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	One protester at a town hall meeting in a medicade heavy town near me kept having her concerns (of which there were many) about Obama's socialist health care plans shot down by demonstrable facts. Finally, frustrated by the realization that she had no idea what she was talking about - stupid chain e-mails let me down! -, she showed her Astroturfy colors (uglier than Boise State's) and got to the point: "I don't need no n!gger in Washington telling me what kind of health care I can have". Score! Oh yes, scaeagles, most of 'em are as artificial as a rubber dong. They take their marching orders from Idiots With Mics and they're not really protesting what they say they are protesting. I know these people. Oh how I fvcking know them. Signs showing swastikas with red circle-slashes go way beyond any reasonable discourse about the direction of health care in this country. Really? We need to drag the Nazis into a discussion about healh care? It seems to me that if you had actual concerns, you'd take the time to get the facts before showing up at a town hall meeting. I'm not seeing much of that. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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09-05-2009, 08:44 AM	#6
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Perhaps I do not understand the meaning of astroturf. I thought astroturf meant an artificial grass roots movement. The vast majority of the protesters are certainly not artificial.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	It is artificial. My SIL is an idiot, to be sure, but she's been egged on by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, and all the other hate mongers who tell her that her misery in life is caused by Democrats. I've known her a long time and can pretty much state with confidence that is has been a series of very poor choices that has led her to her current situation. She's caught up in the whole Tea Party and Town Hall thing, but if she understood what she was protesting and just how very much she has benefited from (and continues to benefit from) state and federally funded programs, I wonder if she would be such an active participant. I don't bother talking to her about it- I've had enough with trying to reason with stupidity. I really think she just likes belonging to a group that makes her feel important- sort of like joining a cult, but without the expense. __________________
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09-05-2009, 09:46 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I can cite just as many anecdotal examples of why I beleive those for it are "astroturfers" as well. My brother in law is in a union and he was told to go to a recent town hall and support the program. I am certain both sides have those elements, but I am not an astroturfer, and I don't personally know any. Is the polling data that shows most Americans against it artificial? A Sept 1 Rasmussen poll shows it's 53-43 against. I've read others that show something like a 2-1 margin of independents oppose it. It is just astroturfers swaying the results? I suppose any conservative upswell against it must be artificial, and those who support the plan just know what's best for America. Last edited by scaeagles : 09-05-2009 at 09:53 AM.
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