The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 468

Gemini Cricket · 09-17-2009, 12:28 PM

Ding ding ding! We have a winnah!

Andrew · 09-17-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Ding ding ding! We have a winnah!

I must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Gemini Cricket again.

Betty · 09-17-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

I must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Gemini Cricket again.

No worries - I mojo'd him up good!

scaeagles · 09-15-2009, 07:33 AM

In the spirit of bipartisan unity, I would like to say that I completely agree with Obama that Kanye West is a jacka$$.

innerSpaceman · 09-15-2009, 08:08 AM

Perhaps he means when FISA itself was enacted. It's basically a rubber-stamp, kangaroo kourt that circumvents the justice system in obtaining wire-taps. It is, itself, I believe, unconstitutional.

The irony of ignoring the FISA court was that it pretty much always granted a warrant to the government. The Bush administration claimed the 24-hour rubber stamp turnaround time wasn't sufficient.

I think I was too young when FISA was enacted (or wasn't politically conscious enough), but I'm sure the potential for abuse was front and center. I'm not sure it's paranoia to foresee that something which loopholes the judicial protections in the constitution might be abused.

I agree with scaeagles that not all prognostications are paranoia, even those stemming from the right. But I certainly think the current crop of heath care "debate" predictions are of the tinfoil hat and purposeful spoiler variety.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-15-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I agree with scaeagles that not all prognostications are paranoia, even those stemming from the right. But I certainly think the current crop of heath care "debate" predictions are of the tinfoil hat and purposeful spoiler variety.

Agreed. The majority of the static coming out against the proposals isn't so much theoretical extrapolation of what might happen if the proposals are passed, rather they are outright misinterpretations/misrepresentations of what the proposal says in the first place, often claiming it means the exact opposite of what its actual intent is (e.g., the language that got labeled "death panels" was about giving seniors the right to manage their own end of life care, NOT about the government sentencing seniors to death. The language that some claimed meant hospitals would refuse treatment if you've come in too many times for the same condition actually said the exact opposite).

BarTopDancer · 09-15-2009, 08:15 AM

Remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

scaeagles · 09-15-2009, 08:47 AM

I'm fuzzy on the details. What I'm remembering was related to FISA and the Bush admin ignoring it when it came to conversations with overseas parties that had been marked as threats. Or something like that. I apologize for the poor memory, but I think others are filling in the pieces.

I could throw out a different one based on an item in the local news here in Phoenix today related to a challenge to a law that requires a 24 hour wait after the initial consultation prior to getting an abortion. It does seem to me that any law placing any form of anything on abortion is typically run with by the left proclaiming it to be the beginning of the end of reproductive choice.

And honestly, I don't fault them for doing so. What happens is the look at what the next step might be and therefore want no movement at all in that direction.

BarTopDancer · 09-15-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I could throw out a different one based on an item in the local news here in Phoenix today related to a challenge to a law that requires a 24 hour wait after the initial consultation prior to getting an abortion. It does seem to me that any law placing any form of anything on abortion is typically run with by the left proclaiming it to be the beginning of the end of reproductive choice.

I thought that was already the law. I have no problem with a waiting period of 24 hours after consultation. It's a life changing decision.

But I'd love to see all the faux clinics (that are really right-to-life offices) closed down.

Then again, I'm a member of the "left" who doesn't have an issue with gun ownership (after a waiting period. There is no reason you need a gun right-this-second).

scaeagles · 09-15-2009, 09:13 AM

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I thought that was already the law. I have no problem with a waiting period of 24 hours after consultation. It's a life changing decision.

But I'd love to see all the faux clinics (that are really right-to-life offices) closed down.

Then again, I'm a member of the "left" who doesn't have an issue with gun ownership (after a waiting period. There is no reason you need a gun right-this-second).

It is the law in Arizona. It is currently being challenged in court.

09-15-2009, 07:33 AM	#4
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09-15-2009, 08:08 AM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Perhaps he means when FISA itself was enacted. It's basically a rubber-stamp, kangaroo kourt that circumvents the justice system in obtaining wire-taps. It is, itself, I believe, unconstitutional. The irony of ignoring the FISA court was that it pretty much always granted a warrant to the government. The Bush administration claimed the 24-hour rubber stamp turnaround time wasn't sufficient. I think I was too young when FISA was enacted (or wasn't politically conscious enough), but I'm sure the potential for abuse was front and center. I'm not sure it's paranoia to foresee that something which loopholes the judicial protections in the constitution might be abused. I agree with scaeagles that not all prognostications are paranoia, even those stemming from the right. But I certainly think the current crop of heath care "debate" predictions are of the tinfoil hat and purposeful spoiler variety.
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09-15-2009, 08:47 AM	#8
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm fuzzy on the details. What I'm remembering was related to FISA and the Bush admin ignoring it when it came to conversations with overseas parties that had been marked as threats. Or something like that. I apologize for the poor memory, but I think others are filling in the pieces. I could throw out a different one based on an item in the local news here in Phoenix today related to a challenge to a law that requires a 24 hour wait after the initial consultation prior to getting an abortion. It does seem to me that any law placing any form of anything on abortion is typically run with by the left proclaiming it to be the beginning of the end of reproductive choice. And honestly, I don't fault them for doing so. What happens is the look at what the next step might be and therefore want no movement at all in that direction.
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