The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 472

innerSpaceman · 09-18-2009, 08:28 AM

Sorry to go back to ACORN for a moment, but to respond to sceagles ... I heard one of the tapes, and yes - technically - it could be called lending assistance (by giving sage loophole tax advice that any H&R Block would also give, and thus be guilty of "fraud") to people involved in illegal activities ... which I daresay is a good chunk of the people ACORN serves, aka poor people. I love how we shoehorn desperately poor people into lives of crime (underage Guatemalan girls, as but one example), but then can't do anything to assist them lest we be accomplices in crime. Lovely Catch-22. And, oh the outrage of the ruling class! How appropriate.

This is not to say that ACORN didn't get caught with its pants down doing something absolutely inappropriate. But "outrageous?" Pu-fvcking-lease.

scaeagles · 09-18-2009, 08:39 AM

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This is not to say that ACORN didn't get caught with its pants down doing something absolutely inappropriate. But "outrageous?" Pu-fvcking-lease.

I would regard any assistance to a pimp who wants to bring in underage girls for a prostitution ring outrageous. Yes. I do not apologize for that.

Alex · 09-18-2009, 09:00 AM

No, but spending money on credit is mostly immoral only when you're not the one doing it.

JWBear · 09-18-2009, 09:20 AM

Re: ACORN (again)...

I’m sorry, but the outrage is ridiculous. A couple of employees in one office screwed up, and were fired (as they should have been). That doesn’t mean the whole organization is bad, just those employees. The same filmmakers tried the same entrapment scam in several other offices without success.

Does this mean that if someone at your company screws up (and generates bad press) your company should be shut down? No. ACORN did what it should have done. Fired their asses.

I am deeply annoyed at Congress for cutting their funding. It pisses me off that, yet again, the Democrat controlled Congress caves in to right-wing fauxrage.

JWBear · 09-18-2009, 09:27 AM

You know... I kept wondering what the right’s problem with ACORN is. It’s an organization that devotes itself to helping minorities and the poor get ahead. It helps them with legal and financial issues, and works to get more of them to register to vote.

Then it hit me… DUH!

scaeagles · 09-18-2009, 09:53 AM

Because everything is racism. Yawn. Offensive.

And it wasn't one office. It was five offices. If only one office, yeah, some people screwed up and were fired, case closed. Five offices is a completely different problem.

JWBear · 09-18-2009, 10:14 AM

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Because everything is racism. Yawn. Offensive.

Yawn. Dismissive.

Are you really denying that the right is afraid of more minorities voting?

scaeagles · 09-18-2009, 11:05 AM

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Yawn. Dismissive.

Are you really denying that the right is afraid of more minorities voting?

I can't speak to anyone except those I know. I do know exactly two racists, one of which is a union member, so I'm really not sure which way they vote. I'm pretty sure the non union member is a republican, and one of the most offensive people I know (a relative by marriage....he hates watching basketball because there are too many black people on the court).

So regarding myself and the people I know, I can say that no, I do not believe the right is afraid of more minorities voting (as long as those minorities are here legally and voting legally). I have no doubt there are some.

JWBear · 09-18-2009, 11:14 AM

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I can't speak to anyone except those I know. I do know exactly two racists, one of which is a union member, so I'm really not sure which way they vote. I'm pretty sure the non union member is a republican, and one of the most offensive people I know (a relative by marriage....he hates watching basketball because there are too many black people on the court).

So regarding myself and the people I know, I can say that no, I do not believe the right is afraid of more minorities voting (as long as those minorities are here legally and voting legally). I have no doubt there are some.

Again, you frame it in terms of racism. It is not racism to recognize that most minorities vote democratic; and that increase in minority voters decreases republican candidates' chances.

scaeagles · 09-18-2009, 11:46 AM

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Again, you frame it in terms of racism. It is not racism to recognize that most minorities vote democratic; and that increase in minority voters decreases republican candidates' chances.

well, in terms of fewer people voting the democrat party line, I'm all in favor of that! But I don't care what color of skin they have.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Sorry to go back to ACORN for a moment, but to respond to sceagles ... I heard one of the tapes, and yes - technically - it could be called lending assistance (by giving sage loophole tax advice that any H&R Block would also give, and thus be guilty of "fraud") to people involved in illegal activities ... which I daresay is a good chunk of the people ACORN serves, aka poor people. I love how we shoehorn desperately poor people into lives of crime (underage Guatemalan girls, as but one example), but then can't do anything to assist them lest we be accomplices in crime. Lovely Catch-22. And, oh the outrage of the ruling class! How appropriate. This is not to say that ACORN didn't get caught with its pants down doing something absolutely inappropriate. But "outrageous?" Pu-fvcking-lease.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	No, but spending money on credit is mostly immoral only when you're not the one doing it.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Re: ACORN (again)... I’m sorry, but the outrage is ridiculous. A couple of employees in one office screwed up, and were fired (as they should have been). That doesn’t mean the whole organization is bad, just those employees. The same filmmakers tried the same entrapment scam in several other offices without success. Does this mean that if someone at your company screws up (and generates bad press) your company should be shut down? No. ACORN did what it should have done. Fired their asses. I am deeply annoyed at Congress for cutting their funding. It pisses me off that, yet again, the Democrat controlled Congress caves in to right-wing fauxrage. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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09-18-2009, 09:27 AM	#5
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	You know... I kept wondering what the right’s problem with ACORN is. It’s an organization that devotes itself to helping minorities and the poor get ahead. It helps them with legal and financial issues, and works to get more of them to register to vote. Then it hit me… DUH! __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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09-18-2009, 09:53 AM	#6
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Because everything is racism. Yawn. Offensive. And it wasn't one office. It was five offices. If only one office, yeah, some people screwed up and were fired, case closed. Five offices is a completely different problem.
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