The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 482

mousepod · 09-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the list, Alex. The one thing that's missing from your list is a politician with a vagina.

innerSpaceman · 09-22-2009, 04:18 PM

And I don't equate sex scandals with corruption. Unless, as BTD points out, it's sex with lobbyists or some such.

So, nice lists and all, but not at all what I was asking about. CORRUPTION. Not moral failing or hypocrisy.

BarTopDancer · 09-22-2009, 04:30 PM

Thanks Alex!

13 Republicans
11 Democrats

Very few (from either side) with anyone campaign or directly political related. My brain is scrambled, I tried to count but the people being me keep yakking and I can't concentrate.

scaeagles · 09-22-2009, 04:43 PM

Ummmm....of my quick list:

Rostenkowski, corruption.
Blogojovich, corruption.
Tucker, corruption.
Torricelli, corruption.
With Berger, I suppose you can't claim corruption, but stuffing classified documents down ones pants and saying it was an accident? Um, no.
Spitzer and Frank, illegal activity, not just sexual.

So except Edwards, I listed nothing based totally on sex. 4 had nothing to do with sex. Do you want me to do some research and find others?

innerSpaceman · 09-22-2009, 04:53 PM

No, that's good. Thanks!

Ugh, corruption everywhere, all the time!!

Alex · 09-22-2009, 05:04 PM

Like I said my list was not intended to make any kind of point. Sex scandals were mentioned and I got curious so went looking.

The party count isn't relevant at all since I have no reason to think it is a complete list.

Mousepod. Only one woman politician was mentioned in anything I found and it was in the '80s. Though of course Hillary was having a lesbian affair with Vince Foster forcing Bill to have him killed.

Alex · 09-22-2009, 05:07 PM

Mike Espy (Clinton ag secretary) could also make the list. He may have been acquitted of taking inappropriate gifts but a lot of people were fined or convicted of giving them.

scaeagles · 09-22-2009, 06:36 PM

Henry Cisneros (Clinton HUD Secretary) was indicted on several counts of conspiracy, false statements, and obstruction of justice, but pleaded guilty to lesser misdeanor charges. That one came to mind after Alex listed a Clinton secretary.

Alex · 09-22-2009, 08:08 PM

Yes, but he was lying about a purely sexual affair (it was on my list above); in meeting with the FBI about for his background check to become HUD Secretary he lied about how much money he'd given to a mistress.

There were allegations that the Clinton administration abused power at the IRS and other agencies in a cover up but the 10-year Independent Council investigation (ending in 2005, 6 years after Cisneros's guilty plea) never resulted in any indictments beyond Cisnero's initial plea about lying and his $10,000 fine.

It wasn't one of the shining examples of the Independent Council law.

scaeagles · 09-22-2009, 08:24 PM

Oh, OK....I didn't remember the details....just the cabinet member reference reminded me that he had come under indictment for the above and had pleaded out.

09-22-2009, 04:11 PM	#1
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	Thanks for the list, Alex. The one thing that's missing from your list is a politician with a vagina. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And I don't equate sex scandals with corruption. Unless, as BTD points out, it's sex with lobbyists or some such. So, nice lists and all, but not at all what I was asking about. CORRUPTION. Not moral failing or hypocrisy.
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Thanks Alex! 13 Republicans 11 Democrats Very few (from either side) with anyone campaign or directly political related. My brain is scrambled, I tried to count but the people being me keep yakking and I can't concentrate. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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09-22-2009, 04:43 PM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Ummmm....of my quick list: Rostenkowski, corruption. Blogojovich, corruption. Tucker, corruption. Torricelli, corruption. With Berger, I suppose you can't claim corruption, but stuffing classified documents down ones pants and saying it was an accident? Um, no. Spitzer and Frank, illegal activity, not just sexual. So except Edwards, I listed nothing based totally on sex. 4 had nothing to do with sex. Do you want me to do some research and find others?
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09-22-2009, 04:53 PM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	No, that's good. Thanks! Ugh, corruption everywhere, all the time!!
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09-22-2009, 05:04 PM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Like I said my list was not intended to make any kind of point. Sex scandals were mentioned and I got curious so went looking. The party count isn't relevant at all since I have no reason to think it is a complete list. Mousepod. Only one woman politician was mentioned in anything I found and it was in the '80s. Though of course Hillary was having a lesbian affair with Vince Foster forcing Bill to have him killed.
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09-22-2009, 05:07 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Mike Espy (Clinton ag secretary) could also make the list. He may have been acquitted of taking inappropriate gifts but a lot of people were fined or convicted of giving them.
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09-22-2009, 06:36 PM	#8
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Henry Cisneros (Clinton HUD Secretary) was indicted on several counts of conspiracy, false statements, and obstruction of justice, but pleaded guilty to lesser misdeanor charges. That one came to mind after Alex listed a Clinton secretary.
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09-22-2009, 08:08 PM	#9
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yes, but he was lying about a purely sexual affair (it was on my list above); in meeting with the FBI about for his background check to become HUD Secretary he lied about how much money he'd given to a mistress. There were allegations that the Clinton administration abused power at the IRS and other agencies in a cover up but the 10-year Independent Council investigation (ending in 2005, 6 years after Cisneros's guilty plea) never resulted in any indictments beyond Cisnero's initial plea about lying and his $10,000 fine. It wasn't one of the shining examples of the Independent Council law.
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09-22-2009, 08:24 PM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Oh, OK....I didn't remember the details....just the cabinet member reference reminded me that he had come under indictment for the above and had pleaded out.
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