Another reason for me to not like the current Pope - Page 5

Morrigoon · 07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

I think a lot of the protestant faiths recognize that the catholic church was the church established by Jesus, however, they felt that the original church had "lost its way" and so they started the new church to bring things closer to what they believed was intended. So as far as "true" church... well, it's sorta like a member of the nobility that has two sons. Firstborn son inherits the estate, even if Son #2 looks and acts a lot more like dad.

I'm not suggesting the validity or lack thereof of any claims, just explaining a position they may hold.

Alex · 07-11-2007, 04:43 PM

I don't really see anything controversial in what Tref said. That is the view of the Catholic Church and has. officially, always been the view.

That is the view of most protestant churches: Jesus founded the church, over time the church was corrupted and our particular blend eventually recovered the original truth.

Thus my original reply above: well, duh.

It seems self evident that everybody who is not a Catholic will think these views are wrong. Or else they would be Catholic.

alphabassettgrrl · 07-11-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

It seems self evident that everybody who is not a Catholic will think these views are wrong. Or else they would be Catholic.

Then my feelings are reasonably predictable.

Morrigoon · 07-11-2007, 04:51 PM

Tref: why would you cease a fascinating line of discussion?

Ghoulish Delight · 07-11-2007, 05:03 PM

Honestly, I'm not particularly shaken by "We're right, you're wrong" statements from any religious entity. It's the nature of religion.

However, this in combination with the restoration of language calling for the conversion of Jews is a much bigger issue for me.

Morrigoon · 07-11-2007, 05:15 PM

GD: Does anyone, really? I mean, all that stuff in Leviticus about animal sacrifice, no one does that any more.

innerSpaceman · 07-11-2007, 05:15 PM

And, despite what unnamed Protestants may espouse, Jesus founded no church.

Morrigoon · 07-11-2007, 05:32 PM

Umm "On this rock I build my church" is pretty definitive.

Chernabog · 07-11-2007, 05:37 PM

What was that about the Nazi Pope?

Dammit, do I lose the argument now?

Morrigoon · 07-11-2007, 05:38 PM

It doesn't work if you invoke it, Cherny.

07-11-2007, 04:18 PM	#1
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I think a lot of the protestant faiths recognize that the catholic church was the church established by Jesus, however, they felt that the original church had "lost its way" and so they started the new church to bring things closer to what they believed was intended. So as far as "true" church... well, it's sorta like a member of the nobility that has two sons. Firstborn son inherits the estate, even if Son #2 looks and acts a lot more like dad. I'm not suggesting the validity or lack thereof of any claims, just explaining a position they may hold. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Tref: why would you cease a fascinating line of discussion? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Honestly, I'm not particularly shaken by "We're right, you're wrong" statements from any religious entity. It's the nature of religion. However, this in combination with the restoration of language calling for the conversion of Jews is a much bigger issue for me. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	GD: Does anyone, really? I mean, all that stuff in Leviticus about animal sacrifice, no one does that any more. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And, despite what unnamed Protestants may espouse, Jesus founded no church.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't really see anything controversial in what Tref said. That is the view of the Catholic Church and has. officially, always been the view. That is the view of most protestant churches: Jesus founded the church, over time the church was corrupted and our particular blend eventually recovered the original truth. Thus my original reply above: well, duh. It seems self evident that everybody who is not a Catholic will think these views are wrong. Or else they would be Catholic.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Umm "On this rock I build my church" is pretty definitive. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	What was that about the Nazi Pope? Dammit, do I lose the argument now? __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	It doesn't work if you invoke it, Cherny. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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