China Olympics - Page 5

scaeagles · 04-09-2008, 06:57 PM

Well, I suppose we could arrest anyone who, based on online surveillance, has even suggested about protesting....or arrest anyone who is protesting and sentence them to years of prison for crimes against the state.....I could go on, but why? I sure hope you said that tongue in cheek.

Strangler Lewis · 04-09-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I also found this whole series of events quite amusing. They're playing keep away with the torch.

My impression of the day's events.

Snowflake · 04-09-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

And Vinko Bogataj

Only during the Winter Olympics!

innerSpaceman · 04-09-2008, 11:06 PM

No, I didn't say that tongue in cheek. To say we're not as bad as China is like saying we're not as bad as Nazi Germany (there, I godwined ... deal).

I'm sick and tired of our right to peaceful protest being made meaningless by the police state. First protestors are blocked from being within miles of the political or financial events they want to object to, and now the events themselves are being moved away from the protestors.

Add up all the other civil liberties lost in the last 8 years and you have, mr. scaeagles, a situation not at all unlike Germany at a quarter to third reich, eastern bloc time.

Alex · 04-09-2008, 11:13 PM

While I deplore free speech zones and all of that. I'm not really seeing where any civil liberties were abridged today. The right to protest is not a right to have the object of your protest be where you expect it to be.

innerSpaceman · 04-09-2008, 11:19 PM

I didn't say they were the same thing. I'm implying they are symptomatic of the same thing.

Facism. In teeny, weeny, baby steps.

Sure, maybe night. Probably even probably not. But this is the road, alright.

Alex · 04-09-2008, 11:34 PM

Afraid I don't see it on this one (though I'll spot you dozens of other tiny steps), but we don't have to agree.

innerSpaceman · 04-10-2008, 07:56 AM

Though nothing unconstitutional or illegal, per se, I find the Free Speech Zones to be completely chilling in a 1984/Animal Farm fashion. Traveling Free Speech Zones and Public Events at Undisclosed Locations seems to take this concept one step creepily further. Me hates it.

And I find it an unpleasantly ironic thing to do with protests against China.

innerSpaceman · 04-10-2008, 11:24 PM

Not that any mob is a good mob ... but a Chinese American holding both a Chinese and Tibetan flag and talking about how it was possible to be supportive of both was roughed up and intimidated by a bunch of pro-China demonstrators at yesterday's San Francisco stuff.

Yeah, way to make China look even better. What nimrods.

sleepyjeff · 04-14-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Though nothing unconstitutional or illegal, per se, I find the Free Speech Zones to be completely chilling in a 1984/Animal Farm fashion. Traveling Free Speech Zones and Public Events at Undisclosed Locations seems to take this concept one step creepily further. Me hates it.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/040...itz041108.php3

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In order to keep the new location a secret, Wu revealed that China had not even disclosed it to NBC, who has a contract to televise the 2008 summer games.

This decision drew an outraged response from NBC chairman Jeff Zucker, who told reporters in New York, "If NBC doesn't know where the Olympics are, no one will watch them."

Wu took exception to Mr. Zucker's comment about no one watching the Olympics, responding, "That sounds like a typical NBC show to me."

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On the campaign trail, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) blasted China's human rights record, telling an audience in Pittsburgh, "I have always fought for human rights in China, which is why I risked my life in Tiananmen Square."

Read the whole tounge in cheek article at the link above

04-09-2008, 06:57 PM	#41
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Well, I suppose we could arrest anyone who, based on online surveillance, has even suggested about protesting....or arrest anyone who is protesting and sentence them to years of prison for crimes against the state.....I could go on, but why? I sure hope you said that tongue in cheek.
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04-09-2008, 11:06 PM	#44
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	No, I didn't say that tongue in cheek. To say we're not as bad as China is like saying we're not as bad as Nazi Germany (there, I godwined ... deal). I'm sick and tired of our right to peaceful protest being made meaningless by the police state. First protestors are blocked from being within miles of the political or financial events they want to object to, and now the events themselves are being moved away from the protestors. Add up all the other civil liberties lost in the last 8 years and you have, mr. scaeagles, a situation not at all unlike Germany at a quarter to third reich, eastern bloc time.
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04-09-2008, 11:13 PM	#45
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	While I deplore free speech zones and all of that. I'm not really seeing where any civil liberties were abridged today. The right to protest is not a right to have the object of your protest be where you expect it to be.
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04-09-2008, 11:19 PM	#46
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I didn't say they were the same thing. I'm implying they are symptomatic of the same thing. Facism. In teeny, weeny, baby steps. Sure, maybe night. Probably even probably not. But this is the road, alright.
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04-09-2008, 11:34 PM	#47
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Afraid I don't see it on this one (though I'll spot you dozens of other tiny steps), but we don't have to agree.
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04-10-2008, 07:56 AM	#48
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Though nothing unconstitutional or illegal, per se, I find the Free Speech Zones to be completely chilling in a 1984/Animal Farm fashion. Traveling Free Speech Zones and Public Events at Undisclosed Locations seems to take this concept one step creepily further. Me hates it. And I find it an unpleasantly ironic thing to do with protests against China.
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04-10-2008, 11:24 PM	#49
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Not that any mob is a good mob ... but a Chinese American holding both a Chinese and Tibetan flag and talking about how it was possible to be supportive of both was roughed up and intimidated by a bunch of pro-China demonstrators at yesterday's San Francisco stuff. Yeah, way to make China look even better. What nimrods.
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