Watchmen - Page 5

Moonliner · 03-09-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Saw this matrix from upthread. I've been watching a few discussion threads at various places and must say I'm not seeing a solid trend.

I decided to add another row to the matrix:

Mixed reviews from readers and non readers: Wait for it on Blu-Ray via Netflix

SzczerbiakManiac · 03-09-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I'm always amazed at what parents will take their children to. I can kind of understand this one if they didn't pay much attention. But my favorite was the four-year-old sitting in front of me during Four Brothers

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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

Any parent that is taking a child to an R-rated movie without first previewing the movie is a stupid parent and deserves a swift kick in the head.

I saw Eyes Wide Shut opening weekend in a packed theater. Some dipsh¡t parents brought their two kids with them. Both kids appeared to be under 10 and both of the kids, in spite of numerous shushes, talked through the entire film! "Mommy, what's that?" "What is he doing to her?" "Why are they wearing masks?" I was ready to orphanize those kids!

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I have a really funny story about that and a movie called "Pulp Fiction"

Oh do tell!

Alex · 03-09-2009, 12:05 PM

Of course (to continue off topic, but when does that ever constrain me) I feel really bad for parents in the reverse situation of inappropriate trailers attached to otherwise appropriate movies.

I forget what movie it was but it was something perfectly fine for kids but independently distributed. Attached to it as trailers were several horror movies with very intense trailers (I remember The Grudge 2 was one of them). Several crying kids by the time the movie started.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-14-2009, 12:48 AM

Saw it. Haven't read the GN.

I enjoyed it. Quite a bit. Of course, it's easier to write about the few bits I didn't like then write a whole post about the things I did, so don't read too much into this post ending up soundling kinda negative, I really did enjoy it.

Having not read the GN, I came away feeling like it was full of holes. Not plot holes that ruined the story, just holes throughout, like swiss cheese, in character development, motivations, etc. Big gaps that were obviously covered in the GN that didn't make it into the movie.

Chief among those was Miss Jupiter. Did not get her character at all. It wasn't until she explicitly said, "I used to be a masked hero too," that I was even totally positive that she had been. Didn't really get why the daughter of a hero and someone who seemed to have been a hero was so doe-eyed about the owl's nifty hero toys. CP filled me in afterwards, so I get it now, but I think the movie really dropped the ball on that. Didn't help that her acting was weak. She managed to coast at mediocre for most of it, but a few scenes she was awful.

The scene where Dr. Manhattan regained his humanity made me want to hurl. His little "You're a miracle" solliloquy was cringe worthy, one step short of Intelligent Design claptrap. Yuck.

I was mixed on the music. Worked in some instances, glaringly out of place in others. However the use of muzak "Everybody Want to Rule the World" was pure genius.

I feel like a doofus. I spotted the guy with the "end is near" sign early on, and saw him throughout the movie. Yet I never put it together that it was Rorschack. Freaking duh.

My favorite thing was a little detail that was put in I swear just to screw with people like me. I tend to be pretty good at catching sly foreshadowing and hints in a movie like this. After Daniel's 2nd dinner with Jupiter, he's leaving the Gunga Diner (hah!). Rorschach is outside, voicing over that Daniel didn't recognize him without the mask. A truck drives by and hits its horn. I notice the Pyramid logo. "Aha!" I say to myself, having caught the Pyramid envelope in Max Hedrom's apartment. It's all about Pyramid! I felt pretty damned clever...very next scene, Rorschach's walking into a trap. He gave whatever his version of, "I fell for the oldest trick in the book." And you know what? I thought the same! Well played, film.

One final note - that's what all the blue penis hubbub was about? With all the non stop chatter I'd been hearing, I assumed it was going to be shown while he was 50 feet tall. That would have been something to talk about. That? Whatever.

innerSpaceman · 03-14-2009, 08:08 AM

I've just started reading the comic (er, graphic novel ... whatever).

I can't comment yet, but I just have a sneaking suspicion the movie filmed the comic panel-for-panel, line-for-bubble ... but somehow got the tone all wrong.

I liked the story in the movie, but the proceedings seemed somehow so flat for what is such a pop-culture phenomenon. I'm hoping to grok the proper tone from the book.

One big difference (if that is indeed the right descriptor) is the blue penis barely appears in the comic, but is All OvER the movie.

The film has an R rating, but I still don't think you'd get away with that much penis if it weren't a CG dick.

Cadaverous Pallor · 03-14-2009, 09:24 AM

I'll read everyone's posts in a bit.

I thought it was great. Faithful to the book in important ways, deviated when it needed to. Visually, near perfect. I really liked nearly all the actors except for the old Silk Spectre, blech, she was awful and the old lady makeup was poor.

I was especially happy with the Nite Owl, yow! Just the perfect amount of geeky nice-guy nebbish and sexy hero emergence. LOVED the sex scene.

The flashbacks to older eras were spot on, and I think they pulled off the alternate universe very well.

The fight scenes were very, very good - none of the blurred darkness we seem to see a lot these days.

I'm glad they waited until now to do the film. Living in an era of actual attack and fear of war does wonders to breathe life into the story.

My one big quibble was with Veidt. That guy was tiny! I would say that they removed the whole Veidt weight training thing for that very reason. He's supposed to be both a genius and totally strong, but this guy seemed more on the skinny cunning side, and didn't exude the bearing I expected. He wasn't terrible, and if you hadn't read the book I guess it wouldn't hurt anything.

Of course GD didn't think the blue penis was any big deal. Hello, GIRTHY?

blueerica · 03-14-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I'll read everyone's posts in a bit.

I thought it was great. Faithful to the book in important ways, deviated when it needed to. Visually, near perfect. I really liked nearly all the actors except for the old Silk Spectre, blech, she was awful and the old lady makeup was poor.

I was especially happy with the Nite Owl, yow! Just the perfect amount of geeky nice-guy nebbish and sexy hero emergence. LOVED the sex scene.

The flashbacks to older eras were spot on, and I think they pulled off the alternate universe very well.

The fight scenes were very, very good - none of the blurred darkness we seem to see a lot these days.

I'm glad they waited until now to do the film. Living in an era of actual attack and fear of war does wonders to breathe life into the story.

My one big quibble was with Veidt. That guy was tiny! I would say that they removed the whole Veidt weight training thing for that very reason. He's supposed to be both a genius and totally strong, but this guy seemed more on the skinny cunning side, and didn't exude the bearing I expected. He wasn't terrible, and if you hadn't read the book I guess it wouldn't hurt anything.

Of course GD didn't think the blue penis was any big deal. Hello, GIRTHY?

Still yet to read the GN (though it's sitting on the coffee table) - but I thought Veidt seemed like a real weenie for being such a "superhero". Despite lack of story (from what I gather from CP's post), something never felt right about him. Like, how could he hang with such a crew and be such a wimpy looking dude?

Pirate Bill · 03-18-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I feel like a doofus. I spotted the guy with the "end is near" sign early on, and saw him throughout the movie. Yet I never put it together that it was Rorschack. Freaking duh.

I didn't see that at all. I guess that makes me a bigger doofus. But I just started reading the GN and noticed him right away. Of course, in the GN you can take your time through each scene really taking it all in.

Moonliner · 03-18-2009, 08:05 AM

Is this thing out on DVD/Blu yet?

innerSpaceman · 03-18-2009, 03:31 PM

nothing on DVD yet, but the penis is Blu

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03-09-2009, 12:05 PM	#43
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Of course (to continue off topic, but when does that ever constrain me) I feel really bad for parents in the reverse situation of inappropriate trailers attached to otherwise appropriate movies. I forget what movie it was but it was something perfectly fine for kids but independently distributed. Attached to it as trailers were several horror movies with very intense trailers (I remember The Grudge 2 was one of them). Several crying kids by the time the movie started.
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03-14-2009, 12:48 AM	#44
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Saw it. Haven't read the GN. I enjoyed it. Quite a bit. Of course, it's easier to write about the few bits I didn't like then write a whole post about the things I did, so don't read too much into this post ending up soundling kinda negative, I really did enjoy it. Having not read the GN, I came away feeling like it was full of holes. Not plot holes that ruined the story, just holes throughout, like swiss cheese, in character development, motivations, etc. Big gaps that were obviously covered in the GN that didn't make it into the movie. Chief among those was Miss Jupiter. Did not get her character at all. It wasn't until she explicitly said, "I used to be a masked hero too," that I was even totally positive that she had been. Didn't really get why the daughter of a hero and someone who seemed to have been a hero was so doe-eyed about the owl's nifty hero toys. CP filled me in afterwards, so I get it now, but I think the movie really dropped the ball on that. Didn't help that her acting was weak. She managed to coast at mediocre for most of it, but a few scenes she was awful. The scene where Dr. Manhattan regained his humanity made me want to hurl. His little "You're a miracle" solliloquy was cringe worthy, one step short of Intelligent Design claptrap. Yuck. I was mixed on the music. Worked in some instances, glaringly out of place in others. However the use of muzak "Everybody Want to Rule the World" was pure genius. I feel like a doofus. I spotted the guy with the "end is near" sign early on, and saw him throughout the movie. Yet I never put it together that it was Rorschack. Freaking duh. My favorite thing was a little detail that was put in I swear just to screw with people like me. I tend to be pretty good at catching sly foreshadowing and hints in a movie like this. After Daniel's 2nd dinner with Jupiter, he's leaving the Gunga Diner (hah!). Rorschach is outside, voicing over that Daniel didn't recognize him without the mask. A truck drives by and hits its horn. I notice the Pyramid logo. "Aha!" I say to myself, having caught the Pyramid envelope in Max Hedrom's apartment. It's all about Pyramid! I felt pretty damned clever...very next scene, Rorschach's walking into a trap. He gave whatever his version of, "I fell for the oldest trick in the book." And you know what? I thought the same! Well played, film. One final note - that's what all the blue penis hubbub was about? With all the non stop chatter I'd been hearing, I assumed it was going to be shown while he was 50 feet tall. That would have been something to talk about. That? Whatever. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-14-2009, 08:08 AM	#45
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I've just started reading the comic (er, graphic novel ... whatever). I can't comment yet, but I just have a sneaking suspicion the movie filmed the comic panel-for-panel, line-for-bubble ... but somehow got the tone all wrong. I liked the story in the movie, but the proceedings seemed somehow so flat for what is such a pop-culture phenomenon. I'm hoping to grok the proper tone from the book. One big difference (if that is indeed the right descriptor) is the blue penis barely appears in the comic, but is All OvER the movie. The film has an R rating, but I still don't think you'd get away with that much penis if it weren't a CG dick.
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03-14-2009, 09:24 AM	#46
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I'll read everyone's posts in a bit. I thought it was great. Faithful to the book in important ways, deviated when it needed to. Visually, near perfect. I really liked nearly all the actors except for the old Silk Spectre, blech, she was awful and the old lady makeup was poor. I was especially happy with the Nite Owl, yow! Just the perfect amount of geeky nice-guy nebbish and sexy hero emergence. LOVED the sex scene. The flashbacks to older eras were spot on, and I think they pulled off the alternate universe very well. The fight scenes were very, very good - none of the blurred darkness we seem to see a lot these days. I'm glad they waited until now to do the film. Living in an era of actual attack and fear of war does wonders to breathe life into the story. My one big quibble was with Veidt. That guy was tiny! I would say that they removed the whole Veidt weight training thing for that very reason. He's supposed to be both a genius and totally strong, but this guy seemed more on the skinny cunning side, and didn't exude the bearing I expected. He wasn't terrible, and if you hadn't read the book I guess it wouldn't hurt anything. Of course GD didn't think the blue penis was any big deal. Hello, GIRTHY? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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03-18-2009, 08:05 AM	#49
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Is this thing out on DVD/Blu yet? __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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03-18-2009, 03:31 PM	#50
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	nothing on DVD yet, but the penis is Blu .
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