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Moonliner · 11-25-2009, 05:35 AM

*blink *blink*

Huh. Yep. We'er all still here.

Cancel one more end of world scenario.

Looks like we can rest easy for the next 1,122 days....

Alex · 11-25-2009, 06:23 AM

Well, not quite yet. These collisions were not the extremely high energy ones that scare certain witless people.

Though if I were running LHC I think I'd schedule the first of those for 12/21 next year just to really **** with people's minds.

Mousey Girl · 11-25-2009, 07:13 AM

I couldn't sleep. At 4am I started making cookies.
The cookies are done, now I am starting the pies for tomorrow.

lashbear · 11-25-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousey Girl

I couldn't sleep. At 4am I started making cookies.
The cookies are done, now I am starting the pies for tomorrow.

MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mousey Girl Cookies = YUM !!!

Betty · 11-25-2009, 04:18 PM

fvck. I ordered 3 new HP notebook computers and 3 HP portable printers. Out of those, 1 of each arrived broken and HP will not rush me either one. 5-7 business days which - with the holiday - meant the end of next week or even beginning of week after.

They suck.

I used to love HP. Good products with great customer service and they stood behind what they made. Now they have crappy to mediocre customer service, crappy quality if 2 of 6 items arrive broken and really don't care what time frame their customers have.

I have 3 people on Monday coming for training and only 2 will have setups.

Thanks HP for making my life more complicated than necessary and for giving me an F.U. when you could have made it right. (by shipping me out new items that would arrive by Monday.)

BarTopDancer · 11-25-2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner

*blink *blink*

Huh. Yep. We'er all still here.

Cancel one more end of world scenario.

Looks like we can rest easy for the next 1,122 days....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Well, not quite yet. These collisions were not the extremely high energy ones that scare certain witless people.

Though if I were running LHC I think I'd schedule the first of those for 12/21 next year just to really **** with people's minds.

I am not thrilled about this because I don't understand how it works/won't end the world. If someone wants to explain it I'll probably no longer be one of those witless people.

Ghoulish Delight · 11-25-2009, 05:53 PM

If the LHC succeeds in what the theory predicts, the collisions will produce energies that approach the energy of a blackhole. Except on a scale that's sub-atomic, and for a duration that's less than a blink of an eye. There is no danger of anything that small, of that little duration, doing any damage to anything.

Alex · 11-25-2009, 06:03 PM

How it won't end the world?

The most credible fears about the LHC expressed by doomsday worriers is that it will create extremely small black holes (which would that then grow out of control and destroy the planet and/or solar system). Another possibly is that it will create a new form of matter (that then "infects" all of the existing matter it touches destroying the planet).

The first reason not to worry is that those who fear these things are only paying attention to half of the theories. The same theories that predict these things could be created also predict that they will almost instanteously evaporate before they could possible do any damage. So it is cherry picking to believe the theories enough to worry but not enough to stop worrying.

The second reason to not worry is that the Large Hadron Collider is not doing anything new. The type of particle collisions they are looking to create don't happen on earth normally but that is only because they happen in the upper atmosphere instead. And on the surface of the moon. And on the surface of Mercury. And on the surface of various moons without atmospheres. And in the upper atmospheres of all the other planets. So, we're not creating anything new, we're just creating it where it is easier to observe. Observing particle collisions in the upper atmosphere (the closest place they happen) would be like trying to take detailed statistics on a single shooting star while standing in downtown Los Angeles and wearing sunglasses. So we do it down here where we know the exact location and time of the collission and can surround it with billions of dollars of detectors and computers. But it still isn't anything new. These collissions have been happening here in Earth's atmosphere for billions of years in a volume greater than anything the LHC will ever do and they haven't destroyed the planet yet.

To a degree it is like saying a leaf falling from an tree indoors could cause a concussion and so trees should never be allowed inside. Sure, I could make up a scenario where that happens but it is essentially fiction and the same thing happens (falling leaves) outside all of the time. Being indoors doesn't make it any riskier.

Moonliner · 11-25-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Well, not quite yet. These collisions were not the extremely high energy ones that scare certain witless people.

I know but if I waited until then it might actually happen and then I'd miss my opportunity to poke fun at the 2012'ers. Better safe than sorry I say.

JWBear · 11-27-2009, 11:25 AM

It's dead here today. Is everybody out shopping?

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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	fvck. I ordered 3 new HP notebook computers and 3 HP portable printers. Out of those, 1 of each arrived broken and HP will not rush me either one. 5-7 business days which - with the holiday - meant the end of next week or even beginning of week after. They suck. I used to love HP. Good products with great customer service and they stood behind what they made. Now they have crappy to mediocre customer service, crappy quality if 2 of 6 items arrive broken and really don't care what time frame their customers have. I have 3 people on Monday coming for training and only 2 will have setups. Thanks HP for making my life more complicated than necessary and for giving me an F.U. when you could have made it right. (by shipping me out new items that would arrive by Monday.) __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	If the LHC succeeds in what the theory predicts, the collisions will produce energies that approach the energy of a blackhole. Except on a scale that's sub-atomic, and for a duration that's less than a blink of an eye. There is no danger of anything that small, of that little duration, doing any damage to anything. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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11-25-2009, 06:03 PM	#5208
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	How it won't end the world? The most credible fears about the LHC expressed by doomsday worriers is that it will create extremely small black holes (which would that then grow out of control and destroy the planet and/or solar system). Another possibly is that it will create a new form of matter (that then "infects" all of the existing matter it touches destroying the planet). The first reason not to worry is that those who fear these things are only paying attention to half of the theories. The same theories that predict these things could be created also predict that they will almost instanteously evaporate before they could possible do any damage. So it is cherry picking to believe the theories enough to worry but not enough to stop worrying. The second reason to not worry is that the Large Hadron Collider is not doing anything new. The type of particle collisions they are looking to create don't happen on earth normally but that is only because they happen in the upper atmosphere instead. And on the surface of the moon. And on the surface of Mercury. And on the surface of various moons without atmospheres. And in the upper atmospheres of all the other planets. So, we're not creating anything new, we're just creating it where it is easier to observe. Observing particle collisions in the upper atmosphere (the closest place they happen) would be like trying to take detailed statistics on a single shooting star while standing in downtown Los Angeles and wearing sunglasses. So we do it down here where we know the exact location and time of the collission and can surround it with billions of dollars of detectors and computers. But it still isn't anything new. These collissions have been happening here in Earth's atmosphere for billions of years in a volume greater than anything the LHC will ever do and they haven't destroyed the planet yet. To a degree it is like saying a leaf falling from an tree indoors could cause a concussion and so trees should never be allowed inside. Sure, I could make up a scenario where that happens but it is essentially fiction and the same thing happens (falling leaves) outside all of the time. Being indoors doesn't make it any riskier.
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