The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I have a serious question here....

Is any gay/lesbian considered to be self loathing if they disagree with the gay/lesbian agenda? I am wondering if it is possbile for a gay/lebian individual to oppose gay marriage, for example, without being considered self loathing. Is it possible he isn't self loathing at all?

I agree that "self loathing" isn't the correct term. But what would you call someone that works to deny equal rights to the same minority group that he belongs to? What would you call a black who fought to prevent civil rights legislation in the 60's, for instance?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I have a serious question here....

Is any gay/lesbian considered to be self loathing if they disagree with the gay/lesbian agenda? I am wondering if it is possbile for a gay/lebian individual to oppose gay marriage, for example, without being considered self loathing. Is it possible he isn't self loathing at all?

This would be my serious question...
What, pray tell, is the gay/lesbian agenda? Can you name the points, in order? Do you know who drew up the original document? Is it available as a pamphlet or online? Are there meetings I may attend to learn more?

Any politician who fights vehemently against the civil rights of the people he likes to fvck should be tarred and feathered. Self-loathing is too forgiving a term, a$$hole hypocrite is more like it. If he's not self-loathing, then he's just a good old-fashioned psychopath and should be removed to a place where he can stop hurting people.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

This would be my serious question...
What, pray tell, is the gay/lesbian agenda? Can you name the points, in order? Do you know who drew up the original document? Is it available as a pamphlet or online? Are there meetings I may attend to learn more?

I certainly was not attempting to be offensive or controversial in the least and apologize if you took offense at my wording. I suppose it would have been better stated to ask if a gay man opposes a gay related social issue supported by most of gay men does that mean he is self loathing?

[innerSpaceman]

I know (of) some gays who think marriage is just an attempt to co-opt queer culture, and are against it on those grounds. That's not necessarily self-loathing.

But Ashburn's claims that he was only voting the way his constituents would have on any particular (cough*cough anti-gay) issue rings hollow to me. Sure, he probably would not have kept his elected position if he didn't betray his group of people with his actions, but it's hard for me to believe he could commit that betrayal on an ongoing basis without some sick kind of hatred of da gay ... and da gay part of himself.

[BarTopDancer]

Didn't Cheney's lesbian daughter campaign against gay rights too?

[Ghoulish Delight]

No. She remained silent about the issue during the '04 campaign and has since said she supports legalizing gay marriage.

Of course, one could quibble with her silence, however she never actively campaigned against it.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Didn't Cheney's lesbian daughter campaign against gay rights too?

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No. She remained silent about the issue during the '04 campaign and has since said she supports legalizing gay marriage.

Of course, one could quibble with her silence, however she never actively campaigned against it.

IIRC, Dick Cheney also came out in support of gay marrage.

ETA: I was correct.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Dick Cheney called it a state-level issue, but still indirectly supported DOMA under the heading of "supporting W".

[SacTown Chronic]

"It would be wrong for us to get married, Frank. Wrong, perverted, and immoral. Now let's make sweet, sweet love."

[Ghoulish Delight]