Lost!

[RStar]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

What if the "nuke blast" wasn't actually a bomb blast and instead was everyone jumping time. We *think* they stopped time jumping but maybe they didn't.

Interesting idea, but then how is there a different timeline when the plane didn't crash, and the island is under water?

Could Jacob and the man in black be Greek gods, and the Island be Mt. Olympus or Atlantis?

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by RStar

Interesting idea, but then how is there a different timeline when the plane didn't crash, and the island is under water?

Could Jacob and the man in black be Greek gods, and the Island be Mt. Olympus or Atlantis?

Why not? We're making assumptions based upon what we know which are leading our line of thinking down a path that may be completely incorrect.

We know that when Juliet pounded on the bomb the screen turned white. We also know that the screen turned white whenever they would jump time.

We know that there have been time jumps already. Why couldn't there be a completely alternate universe where the plane never crashes? We 'think' we know that Jack recognizes people on the plane. But is it a can't place them look or a I know for sure I know them from somewhere, why don't they recognize me look.

Was the red mark on Jack's neck from the turbulence (somehow) or the explosion/time jump?

Was Desmond really on the plane or was he jumping through time and ended up on the planet for a few moments.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Was Desmond really on the plane or was he jumping through time and ended up on the planet for a few moments.

Usually Desmonds jumps thru time have only been to places he has been to in the past.....so he either was:

1) On the plane all the way from Sydney to LA
2) Never on the plane.
3) On the plane in Jack's mind only.
4) We(and Jack) witnessed more than one alternate flight 815....one with Desmond and one without(perhaps this has something to do with Charlie)

or

5) Desmond now has a new skill


Speaking of Desmond.....last we heard of him he swore off the whole Island affair but was warned by Hawking that his part wasn't finished.

Since then we have not seen Desmond but Hawking's plan to explode the H bomb was carried out; which leads me to believe that her plan extends beyond the H-bomb and that Desmond does indeed have a part to play

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

but Hawking's plan to explode the H bomb was carried out

We assume we did, but you know what happens when we assume.

How do we really know the bomb went off? What proof do we have?

After 5 years of LOST I don't consider the alternate timelines, alternate universes or Juliet saying "it worked" confirmation.

[RStar]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Why not? We're making assumptions based upon what we know which are leading our line of thinking down a path that may be completely incorrect.

We know that when Juliet pounded on the bomb the screen turned white. We also know that the screen turned white whenever they would jump time.

We know that there have been time jumps already. Why couldn't there be a completely alternate universe where the plane never crashes? We 'think' we know that Jack recognizes people on the plane. But is it a can't place them look or a I know for sure I know them from somewhere, why don't they recognize me look.

Was the red mark on Jack's neck from the turbulence (somehow) or the explosion/time jump?

Was Desmond really on the plane or was he jumping through time and ended up on the planet for a few moments.

That's true, it could have been a time jump. Let's say when Juliet hit the bomb it didn't go off, but they jumped in time instead. That would explain a few things, like the fact that they survived an explosion that should have also made a bigger hole than that. It would also explain how the hatch had been finished before it was blown up.

In fact, perhaps there are many different timelines. I love this stuff!

Oh, and I think Desmond has been on the planet all along....

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by RStar

That's true, it could have been a time jump. Let's say when Juliet hit the bomb it didn't go off, but they jumped in time instead.

Why not both?

That would explain a few things, like the fact that they survived an explosion that should have also made a bigger hole than that.

Actually, I think Sayid just took the fissionable part of the hydrogen bomb....so the crater probably was just about right. Nevertheless, the crater we are looking at was from Desmonds fail-safe key, not Jacks bomb.......unless they are one in the same

In fact, perhaps there are many different timelines.

I think you've got it!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yes, and anyone who expected otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

[BarTopDancer]

Basically

But we know that smoky is Esau/Not!Locke and the ash keeps him at bay.
We also know that Sayid and Sawyer are still smoking hot.

[scaeagles]

We also know that a whole bunch of others live in the Temple. Unless I missed that before.

[bewitched]

Sheesh, I have lots of thoughts but I want to throw this out there about Sayid:

If we stick with the idea that Jacob/the island is about redemption and we remember that he touched all (well almost) of the main characters sometime in the past in an effort to save (or bestow redemption upon) all of them, then I think he finally "saved" Sayid.

I don't remember his exact words to Hurley, but I believe they were very close to, "they are the only ones who can save him."

Remember young Ben? When he was shot, Richard told Kate and Juliet that he wouldn't remember anything and that he would never be the same. Did he just give Sayid a "reboot"? The one factor that would otherwise always keep Sayid from being redeemed (at least in his mind) was all of the bad things he did in the past. If those memories are gone and he is "changed", i.e. left with his essential "Sayidness" is he not, in effect, saved (redeemed)?

I bring this up because here's what I think:

Setting the sideways timeline aside for the moment, I think these last 5 seasons have been rife with the idea of redemption, that who you are is not made up of any one (or any several) moments in time; there is an essential character to us all which gets obscured by life. I think Jacob sees the good in people and believes that when you bring the good in each person to the surface, you advance mankind as a whole (a step forward). With that in mind, I think we are going to see, one by one, each character's redemption whether by Jacob's instruction or through his hand. He's clearly dead, but not gone. And I think this is what was meant by having to choose...you have to choose faith, and therefore redemption and if you don't, by default, you choose the dark side.

And yeah, Sayid is still hot.