All About McCain

[Chernabog]

Ugh the anti-gay rhetoric of Palin and her church... makes me sick. I've met people who have tried to be "reprogrammed" and it's a sad, miserable existence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20080908/...xgayconference

[innerSpaceman]

All Pro-Lifers should have their citizenships revoked and be deported to the Holy See in Rome, Italy to swell its population by millions.

The right to reproductive freedom has been the law of the land for long enough. The debate over such freedom still rages and that's fine, but how long must it take to realize the debate will NEVER end and therefore the obligation of the United States of America is to come down on the side of LIBERTY, and not on the side of religious belief if there is a permanent conflict between the liberty of our citizens and the religious beliefs of our citizens?


Similarly, it doesn't matter of it's genetic or not, I have a RIGHT to be homosexual if I so CHOOSE.



I hated it when they said it about the Reds and Commies, and I hate becoming that generation. But all you Fundie Christians who want to squelch the rights of all women and all gays and all the people who don't look and act just like you SHOULD GET THEFUK OUT OF AMERICA. NOW!


Go to some Christian Nation of Intolerance and Fear, and leave behind the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave that you have nothing but disdain for.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm disturbed by the use of Palin's church in the discussion.

I considered it irrelevant to Obama's campaign when he was attacked for his church's rhetoric and I consider it equally irrelevant to hers. The only reason I would bring it up myself is to counter anyone Rev. Wright, and only to say that it shouldn't be brought into it.

I'm not saying she doesn't hold the views, but until SHE makes a statement about what SHE believes, I don't really care what someone else she has listened to says.

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I'm not saying she doesn't hold the views, but until SHE makes a statement about what SHE believes, I don't really care what someone else she has listened to says.

But in Obama's case, from what I recall it was one reverend making inane comments.

The ex-gay movement is a church-wide program. She has made her views on gay people quite clear. She has voiced opposition to domestic partnership, and only vetoed a bill which would deny rights to domestic partners in this fashion:

"The Department of Law advised me that this bill... is unconstitutional given the recent court order... mandating same-sex benefits," Palin said in a statement. "With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office."

The statement added, "The governor's veto does not signal any change or modification to her disagreement with the action and order by the Alaska Supreme Court. It is the governor's intention to work with the Legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue.""

Her views are clear, and are clearly defined by her statements and actions. And sorry, but sometimes you can judge a member of the group by the group's actions (especially when they aren't doing anything to contradict it, either internally or to the public).

[Ghoulish Delight]

Like I said, I don't doubt she believes and has acted on that, but bringing her church into it is an invitation to do the same to Barack, and it's invalid either way.

People will, and have (correctly) said that the anti-American, anti-white sentiments expressed by Wright are prevalent throughout the church, not just limited to Wright. But Obama has never himself exhibited those sentiments, so why does it matter?

Palin does happen to share some of her church's more hateful views, and those views should be brought forward. Not based on what other people in the church have said and done, based on what SHE has said and done.

[Alex]

I'm a degree carrying librarian (though I probably will never again work in the profession). Therefore if I make a pronouncement on that issue I will automatically win. Yay.

But I'm not participating. But I will.

Public librarians deal with this kind of thing all of the time, queries from the public (and even government) about removing books. So far I have seen no evidence that Palin made any significant attempt to get books removed from the library beyond asking about how it would be handled.

I have no idea if the "librarian" in question is actually a librarian or just someone hire to run the library (not necessarily the same thing, especially in small towns) so I don't know how "political" of a position it might be in that situation. But that is moot until such time as I see evidence that Palin made an actual attempt to get books removed.

Besides, when it comes to small town libraries (and even large town libraries) there is a much simpler way to get a book removed from the collection. Check it out, "lose it," pay the fines for "losing" it. Odds are good that it will be years before the volume is replaced in kind.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm a degree carrying librarian (though I probably will never again work in the profession). Therefore if I make a pronouncement on that issue I will automatically win. Yay.

Hey, me too.

Public librarians deal with this kind of thing all of the time, queries from the public (and even government) about removing books. So far I have seen no evidence that Palin made any significant attempt to get books removed from the library beyond asking about how it would be handled.

She didn't try to actually get books removed. Instead, when the librarian said her collection development policy was based on professional criteria and that she would do all she could to fight any efforts to remove some books from the collection, Palin asked for her resignation (along with a bunch of other public employees whom she felt wasn't "on her side"). How conveeeenient. The librarian fought the request to resign, and the townspeople apparently made a fuss and didn't want her fired.

[Chernabog]

*retrieves the half-eaten but still tasty bucket of popcorn he put into the trash, pops a few kernels in his mouth, and takes a seat*

[Bootstrap Bill]

I'm voting for Alfred E. Newman.

[Gn2Dlnd]

It's not so much that we like our sh!t stirred on the LoT, we just like the *ka-BOOM* you get when you throw a cherry bomb into an outhouse.

The stank is bonus.